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2v2. Gone. Forever.
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TheSmite
Im hearing alot of "OMG THERES IMBALANCEZORZ IN 2v2" on this god damn thread. Umm, you people are just mad becuase you cant roll in there without any skill. Vault was made for you. Now to adress a real concern. You call imbalance anything in 2v2 and yet, CLEAVE TEAMS arent imbalanced, right? They are literally forcing you to bring certain classes to the game now. Like lets say for instance me a disc priest wants to do arena with my real life friends. We have DK and a feral druid. Is that going to work? NO, no its not. Why not becuase we have no healing reductions. Remember when blizz said bring the player not the class, or however that cliche` statement went. Yeah they are throwing that out the window. If we dont protest this now on the forums, they will remove 2v2s utility. Heres my point, you call 2v2 imbalanced and you think that 3v3 and 5v5 works. THEN WHY ARENT YOU IN ONE RIGHT NOW INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING ABOUT 2v2 YOU GOD DAMN TWITS. L2 think, and L2 play.
~The Smite
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TheMediator
Im hearing alot of "OMG THERES IMBALANCEZORZ IN 2v2" on this god damn thread. Umm, you people are just mad becuase you cant roll in there without any skill. Vault was made for you. Now to adress a real concern. You call imbalance anything in 2v2 and yet, CLEAVE TEAMS arent imbalanced, right? They are literally forcing you to bring certain classes to the game now. Like lets say for instance me a disc priest wants to do arena with my real life friends. We have DK and a feral druid. Is that going to work? NO, no its not. Why not becuase we have no healing reductions. Remember when blizz said bring the player not the class, or however that cliche` statement went. Yeah they are throwing that out the window. If we dont protest this now on the forums, they will remove 2v2s utility. Heres my point, you call 2v2 imbalanced and you think that 3v3 and 5v5 works. THEN WHY ARENT YOU IN ONE RIGHT NOW INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING ABOUT 2v2 YOU GOD DAMN TWITS. L2 think, and L2 play.
~The Smite
Quoting myself from a similar thread because your post isn't worth a real response.
Those classes will be buffed then. 2v2 has always been retarded. This change allows those classes to be buffed without fear of handing them free arena gear. You should be happy about that.
I was like 2.5k rating season 2 with a rogue partner in blues... so don't even say anything to me, I know first hand how retarded 2v2 can be if you have the skill and the best team setup.
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TheMediator
Well I dont mind 3v3 but I know a lot of people who dont do 3s or cant get a proper team of 3s. On my server there are few allys and even fewer good pvpers. It literally took me 2 weeks to get a half decent 2s partner so I dread getting a proper 3s together. I am sure there are countless others like me and this change is really fun for us.
And TheMediator your logic is seriously flawed. If classes are buffed because they arent doing well with one class what happens then with classes they were already doing well with? 2v2 may have always been unbalanced but 3s isnt as balanced as people seem to think.
Here's the deal, in 2v2 you have a lot less tools, basically a DPS needs to rely solely on his own abilties to solo down the enemies healer... now if you balance around 3s and 5s, you can more balance around a character being able to get help from another player... ret pallies will be able to be balanced because they'll not do enough damage to kill someone themselves, but if they team with someone with mortal strike, then their damage is more effective, without having to hand ret pallies a mortal strike effect and homogenizing all classes. Now they can adjust ret pally burst downwards and buff their sustained because they don't have to worry about ret pallies being viable in 2s (since they relied on burst to win), etc. etc. for all classes.
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TheMediator
2v2 is the most popular bracket in the end and many many players will be disappointed by this change.
I'm semi-disappointed too, in the perfect world 2s 3s 5s and PvE would all be balanced without homogenizing all classes, but this world ain't perfect and we have to make due. Although 2v2 is a lot less stressful than some of the larger brackets (which translates to more fun overall, although winning a high stress battle can be enjoyable) in terms of actually playing the bracket seriously, it is in fact imbalanced, and considering that it sort of trivializes any accomplishments you make. Removing the rewards leaves 2s how it should be - something you do for fun on the side of your 3s/5s team.
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Katsudon
Man people really can't deal with change.
Cleave dominated for such a short time, and the outcry was big enough to nerf it down hard immediately (ret and druid). RMP has been dominating since as long as i can remember, and it never gets changed. Even when cleave is powerful, RMP still holds half the top rankings, and i rarely ever see people QQ about it. It will continue to be the comp run in major tourneys Its almost like people have accepted that RMP should dominate 3's and anything that competes should be stomped to the ground immediately.
Oh yea, i see them eventually changing 2v2 back to being somewhat worthwhile eventually once they realize that few people will do it without good incentives.
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1771
Too hard for them to fix so they just don't meddle with it anymore.
Wipe of a sort.
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TheMediator
Man people really can't deal with change.
Cleave dominated for such a short time, and the outcry was big enough to nerf it down hard immediately (ret and druid). RMP has been dominating since as long as i can remember, and it never gets changed. Even when cleave is powerful, RMP still holds half the top rankings, and i rarely ever see people QQ about it. It will continue to be the comp run in major tourneys Its almost like people have accepted that RMP should dominate 3's and anything that competes should be stomped to the ground immediately.
Oh yea, i see them eventually changing 2v2 back to being somewhat worthwhile eventually once they realize that few people will do it without good incentives.
Well I suppose that arises from the idea that since RMP has the most CC, it is the most skillful setup because you need that CC. In reality, you don't, a lot of the time that CC is just icing on the cake. I think blizzard will deal with rogue and mage damage now that 2v2 is gone, resto druids were resisting the nerf bat early on in arena because they were worried they'd gimp them, and its likely the same deal is going on with rogues/mages.
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Wildhorn
Its not just about pushing you into 3s and 5s, its about eliminating the retarded imbalanced 2s bracket, so they can adjust classes without worrying about handing out free gear to other classes in 2s. This is awesome, you're just short-sighted if you can't see it.
and you think fixing the imbalance requires nuking the importance of 2s? wouldn't it make more sense to spend more time working on the class imbalances themselves as opposed to the outlets in which they are exploited?
1) Game never been balanced around 1v1 neither 2v2.
2) At the beginning of arena, Blizzard had in mind to not even add 2v2 but instead 4v4. But they saw it was popular and that people were liking to only need 1 other player to play with, so they kept 2v2.
3) It wont affect you except in WG and world PvP, because even if you have less good gears via 2v2, it wont matter much, since other people in 2v2 will also have previous season gears.
4) Get over it, it is a good change. (NOTE: "Good" doesnt mean you will like it, just like when your mommy told you to eat your vegetable when you were young).
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cloudp
3) It wont affect you except in WG and world PvP, because even if you have less good gears via 2v2, it wont matter much, since other people in 2v2 will also have previous season gears.
I wish this was true; it isn't. the bracket will get a lot less played. Because people will gear up in 3s and 5s, than trash all the 2s in furious while holding -insert S7 name here- gear. Believe me, it will be popular, and will indeed ruin the bracket, as it gets much less casual-friendly.
Not to mention that people usually don't like to fight for sub-par gear.
I believe this change is interesting, and balance 2s without nerfing pve is just too hard, but blizzard timed it strangely. If their profetic "3v3 balance" will come to fruition, maybe this will even pvp, the biggest need in Wrath at the moment. If this fails, GG blizz, you suicide-bombed PvP.
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