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Shadow666
Does anyone know how viable 2H Frost Dps will be in 3.1.0? As i love being it at the moment, and end up always being very high up on the dps meters in all raids.
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Aadramelekh
I'm just sayin that I've seen specs like these to get HUGE HB crits, for both AoE trash and bosses
Indeed, but in 3.1 (which will come either this week or the next), those hybrid frost / unholy builds will be a thing of the past. And I have a feeling that 2H Frost will become a more powerful DPS build as well.
Currently I run with
THIS
talent spec (
My spec on wowhead link
in case Armory does not work). So far I have been able to reach
2850 DPS
on the lvl 80 target dummy. With the change in bonus damage from diseases, Obliterate will reach almost the same value as it currently has with one disease (since frost optimally relies only on Frost Fever), while Frost Strike being strongly buffed.
The thing I hate the most for 3.1 is the huge nerf to Rune of the Fallen Crusader. Lowering it from 30% to 15% bonus strength is quite a nerf. As such, Frost DPS will suffer in the AoE department, since the Rune of Razorice will become THE rune of choice for Frost DPS, with 10% more frost damage stacked on single target, but zero utility for AoE spells such as Howling Blast.
In 3.1, my DPS spec will be
THIS
one.
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Aadramelekh
Aad, 2.8k isn't that impressive on a dummy as some dk's are fully able to break over 3k on them self buffedFirst:
You know, that wasn't meant (obviously, duh) as some e-peen stroking or something. I merely posted my current result - and if you had bothered to check my gear on armory maybe you could realize I would break 3K on target dummy with full ilvl 213 gear. And most of all a better weapon than Wraith Strike. I have been hitting 5.5K overall DPS for full Naxx 10 runs (Howling Blast FTW) and 3800-4000 DPS on boss fights, depending on circumstances (Loatheb and Thaddius had much higher DPS results of course, but those are pretty special conditions).
Second:
Also dual wield Frost / Unholy DPs build is right now the most powerful for overall AoE / single target damage; I am not running that, I am not expecting to beat anyone at DPS meter like this, it is just the way I enjoy playing a DPS Death Knight.
Third:
The DK I have is currently an ALT and perhaps this would further explain as to why I haven't invested that much time and hitting insane amounts of DPS with it. Perhaps my main character's
performance
will further serve as proof, hopefully.
:This is not a "runic dump" or even close to itTechically, it
is
a runic power dump. Because that's what it does when it's used - it consumes runic power. I see where you're aiming though. You probably think that many people consider the word 'dump' as some sort of term meant to belittle the importance of Frost Strike. In that respect, I agree - Frost Strike is in fact a much stronger RP based ability than Death Coil and the number one ability for Frost 2H DPS. But technically it is a RP dump. ANY ability that consumes RP is technically the same - a RP dump. Remember that.
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Aris
:This is not a "runic dump" or even close to itTechically, it
is
a runic power dump. Because that's what it does when it's used - it consumes runic power.
QFT
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Aris
I don't see Obliterate in there.
my bad, its late and i was thinking of something else.
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Aris
The term "Runic Dump" also implies as using it to through away runic power gained at the end of a rotation,
No it does not. All it means is its the ability you have chosen for your spec to spend runic power on. That's all "runic dump" means.
BS uses runes, not runic power. IE: not a runic dump
You can put FS into the middle of a rotation, its still a runic dump. No one ever said runic dumps must be at the end of rotations.
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Aris
because blood strikes don't use runic power. i don't see why this is so difficult for you to understand. we refer to FS as a runic dump because it uses runic power, not a rune.
"runic dump" = any ability used in your rotation repeatedly that uses runic power
IBF and AMS are not used regularly within a rotation when enough runic power is available. IE: not a runic dump. their on cooldowns, so you cant just use them whenever you have enough runic power for them.
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Post by
Fuegan
No offense Lynri and Aab, but your getting WAY off topic. This isn't a debate of whether FS is or isn't a runic dump. Nor does that matter anyways.
As an answer to the real question here...YES, Frost DK dps is viable both now and will be viable in 3.1
For Lynri, Aab, and the other DK's who keep posting "rotations" read on...
Although i must agree with Lynri with the fact that Frost Strike is your highest dps strike and shouldn't be in the end of a "rotation." What I believe is people should start straying away from standard rotations, especially frost dks.
For Example a Enh Shaman follows a priority list like:
Lighting Bolt if you have maelstrom up
Earthshock if Stormstike is up
ect. ect.
A Frost dk should follow something somewhat similar...It becomes less of a rotation and more or
Icy Touch if frost fever isn't up (10% dmg bonus)
Howling Blast if Rime is up OR there is X amount of mobs
Frost Strike if Killing Machine is up
The reason i say you should use Frost Strike when killing machine is up because while your doing your "rotation" you could have proc'ed multiple killing machine procs during that rotation and instead of weaving frost strikes into your rotation you just used them at the end. This doesn't hurt your regular rotation at all just changes the order
A weird thing about your
Recount Data
was the fact that you had 55.3 Hit %, 44.7% Glancing, which you can't do anything about...BUT you had no critical hits...This struck me as extremely odd. Then again when does frost strike glance... i can see the arrow selecting frost strike... but dunno.
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Aris
"runic dump" = any ability used in your rotation repeatedly that uses runic power
Taking this, then any ability that uses runes repeatedly in rotation are Rune Dumps?
Sure you could say that i suppose, though people may just look at you weird as its not a common phrase.
Look the phrase originated with rage dumps for warriors and feral druids. You build up rage, and then use an ability that uses rage to dump it out again once you have enough to use said abilities.
There is no negative condentation to the phrase whatsoever. Its just describing the action taken, like putting small cups of water in a bucket till you have enough water at which point you "dump" the water out and continue again.
Why is this such a big deal for you? it just is what it is. The sky is blue, the grass is green, and frost strike is a runic dump ability.
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