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Post by
Allberta
Hello guys, are you guys most excited for classic or battle for azeroth?
Comment below your answer and why!
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Post by
Adamsm
Neither; no point in getting excited for Classic because it's going to get canned just like Path of the Titans did....plus, the servers will be ghost towns in about a month or two as people realize just what Vanilla was like.
As for Battle; we've seen it....multiple times; the factions will fight, some big bad comes along to unite us, same stuff we've already done; Battle is pretty much Cataclysm 2.0 from what it seems like.
Post by
Eccentrica
Definitely Classic. Battle doesn't offer much in the way of new things to look at, and I have always preferred the expansions that offered new worlds or massive continents. Classic, on the other hand, offers me the opportunity to play something that I haven't been able to play for YEARS. It offers the opportunity to start at the ground floor with everybody else, to forge new friendships and a community, and this last one is the most important.
Bad behaviour on a Classic server will be punished. Toxic people will find themselves blacklisted. And in Classic, if no one wants to play with you, you get absolutely nowhere.
And I am looking forward to the sense of accomplishment that comes with reaching a goal for which you have to plan and prepare, to strive and work for; something that requires effort.
I know that tons of people are going to cram the server on launch. There will be a lot of tourists. And over the first days and weeks lots are going to leave. That's ok. The people who remain will be invested in that content - the true community. That will be the second golden age of WoW, when community exists again, regardless of its size. But I'm one of those weird people who prize quality over quantity. I'd rather have 5 or 6 really good friends than a Facebook friends list the size of a small town populated by people who wouldn't even notice if I dropped dead.
Post by
Izichial
Probably more realistic to ask whether people are more excited about classic or the expansion
after
Battle for Azeroth, since they're likely in a similar state of completion.
If you're looking forward to classic, prepare to wait a few years.
Post by
bass679
BfA for sure. Wow wasn't my first MMO, I don't feel like I have the same nostalgia for getting sucked into a new world that some people seem to have for Azeroth. I love the game and I loved it then but I think it's going to be like re watching a beloved childhood show for many people. Ultimately a let-down.
Post by
Jkpman
.plus, the servers will be ghost towns in about a month or two as people realize just what Vanilla was like.
This.
If you were actually around at the start you won't have the rose tinted view of vanilla that so many people seem to have. It will be funny to see classic fall on it's ass as people leave in droves. That is assuming it is accurate. I just can't see the players of today with all the quality of life improvements the game has now having the patience to wait hours on end to try scrape together 40 people to raid only to call it because a healer or tank has to leave. If memory serves me right the corpse run for Molten Core was around 6 mins. Ah those were the days, good bloody riddance.
BfA for sure. Wow wasn't my first MMO, I don't feel like I have the same nostalgia for getting sucked into a new world that some people seem to have for Azeroth. I love the game and I loved it then but I think it's going to be like re watching a beloved childhood show for many people. Ultimately a let-down.
And this!
Yes these is no denying that for it's time Vanilla was leaps and bounds ahead of anything else, and at the time it was simply the best. I had fun as I have had during every expansion, but those days are in the past and the game is infinitely better, and no way would I want to go back to grinding for months just to get flame resist gear, or wasting an evening waiting to fill a raid. These days I don't even think half of the player base even know how to find a raid or dungeon entrance.
It's going to be a shock to many of the new vanilla players, but personally I'd rather leave the fun I had in the past without trying to recreate it in what will undoubtedly be a sub par experience that will only remind me about what was truly bad about Vanilla.
Post by
Davold
Neither; no point in getting excited for Classic because it's going to get canned just like Path of the Titans did....plus, the servers will be ghost towns in about a month or two as people realize just what Vanilla was like.
As for Battle; we've seen it....multiple times; the factions will fight, some big bad comes along to unite us, same stuff we've already done; Battle is pretty much Cataclysm 2.0 from what it seems like.
Pretty much my thoughts on the matter as well. I might check out Classic for a bit (if it's rolled into the retail sub) since I joined after Cata just to see what it was like before Deathwing, but hearing what it was like from people who did play it definitely says it is not for me. But if it means I'll no longer have to hear from the "Vanilla was greatest" crowd everytime I'm in a major city, I'll be happy.
Post by
lankybrit
Both.
Classic because I never played it. I started in the WOLK era. It will be fun to see what it's like to go from 1-60 the way people did back in day. Hopefully there will be no CRZ too, because there wasn't any back in Classic.
Battle for Azeroth seems fine. I'm not interested in Horde vs Alliance, but it will be nice to level totally differently on both sides. Island Expeditions look like fun, so long as we can queue for them. I have plenty of 110s ready to play in the new XPAC.
BTW: Excellent post, fotheringham.
Post by
Jkpman
Hundreds of thousands of players on private servers over the course of nearly a decade proves, instantly, that you are both wrong.
I also don't think the numbers are as large as you think, From my own research I only found one server that even cracked over 5000 members. I certainly haven't seen anything to suggest the number of people playing actual unmodified Vanilla WoW to be even approaching 50,000 let alone the hundreds of thousands you claim. (The highest had 5000+)
In fact the majority of servers feature modified versions of expansions, and as for your laughable EZ mode comment, many of those are heavily modified to provide boosts to players. I'd also like to point out that mechanically nothing about Vanilla was hard, getting people together without add ons was hard. Getting people to the raid was hard. Grinding is not hard.
Where was the difficulty of providing a buff, or de-cursing, or basically being a food vendor? Remember spell ranks? Remember not taking certain ranks because they simply weren't mana effective? I member...
And finally, thousands of players who steal a game don't prove a thing, they just prove piracy is a rife and they play whatever version of the game is available as long as it is FREE and DESPITE those thieves, the game has survived and improved.
Pretty much my thoughts on the matter as well. I might check out Classic for a bit (if it's rolled into the retail sub) since I joined after Cata just to see what it was like before Deathwing, but hearing what it was like from people who did play it definitely says it is not for me. But if it means I'll no longer have to hear from the "Vanilla was greatest" crowd everytime I'm in a major city, I'll be happy.
It will be rolled into the main game I think, and everyone who didn't play Vanilla should check it out, at the very least it will make people appreciate what they have now. Yeah I'm looking forwards to the embarrassed silence from the rose tinted spectacle brigade too.
Post by
Eccentrica
Yeah I'm looking forwards to the embarrassed silence from the rose tinted spectacle brigade too.
Why is that? Why would you take delight in the disappointment of others? And why would you publicly admit to being that sort of person?
Post by
Adamsm
To be fair, the glasses are going to be stripped off a large majority of people who remember only the good in Vanilla and none of the bad.....well, that's if this even gets off the ground that is; I still think it's going to go the same way as the Dance Studio, Path of the Titans and the large number of other things that was promised to us and never happened.
There's also going to be the trolls who'll flock to the Vanilla servers with the intent of disrupting things, just as they do to the RP servers.
But honestly, WoW's community is kinda of toxic overall, and Vanilla had it's share of those players even back then, so all the Vanilla server is going to do is re-introduce them to the game with new and improved addon's to cause more problems and headaches.
Post by
Davold
To be fair, the glasses are going to be stripped off a large majority of people who remember only the good in Vanilla and none of the bad.....well, that's if this even gets off the ground that is; I still think it's going to go the same way as the Dance Studio, Path of the Titans and the large number of other things that was promised to us and never happened.
There's also going to be the trolls who'll flock to the Vanilla servers with the intent of disrupting things, just as they do to the RP servers.
But honestly, WoW's community is kinda of toxic overall, and Vanilla had it's share of those players even back then, so all the Vanilla server is going to do is re-introduce them to the game with new and improved addon's to cause more problems and headaches.
Oh I very much doubt they'll not release it now that they've announced it. Imagine the riots and pandemonium that would happen if they were to say "Yeah, no, we decided not to do this." You think the WoW community is toxic now, if they scrap vanilla good lord....
Post by
Jkpman
Yeah I'm looking forwards to the embarrassed silence from the rose tinted spectacle brigade too.
Why is that? Why would you take delight in the disappointment of others? And why would you publicly admit to being that sort of person?
It's not disappointment, it's education, and I firmly believe that many of those people never actually played Vanilla. So yes I publicly admit to liking people admitting their mistakes and it's interesting that you focused and chose to publicly highlight this one sentence from my post just to white knight, what kind of person does that?
Oh I very much doubt they'll not release it now that they've announced it. Imagine the riots and pandemonium that would happen if they were to say "Yeah, no, we decided not to do this." You think the WoW community is toxic now, if they scrap vanilla good lord....
I'm certain they will do it, they've had the argument shoved in their face for over a decade, and I think they just want to shut people the hell up. I wouldn't be surprised if the vanilla project is shut down after a few patches but it will be coming.
Post by
Adamsm
Oh I very much doubt they'll not release it now that they've announced it. Imagine the riots and pandemonium that would happen if they were to say "Yeah, no, we decided not to do this." You think the WoW community is toxic now, if they scrap vanilla good lord....
They've done it before, so at this point I have a feeling it won't come out.
Post by
civgw
If you were actually around at the start you won't have the rose tinted view of vanilla that so many people seem to have. It will be funny to see classic fall on it's ass as people leave in droves.
The last time I logged in you were peddling this nonsense and it doesn't seem you have learnt anything from the last time. When I left you last time, you were busy digging a hole for yourself and it seems you are still digging.
You still haven't grasped the simple concept that not everybody views things in the same way as Jkpman does. You insult people who don't share your point of view about the past. You accuse them of having faulty memories, because they don't share your blinkered view of the past.
Post by
civgw
I'd also like to point out that mechanically nothing about Vanilla was hard, getting people together without add ons was hard.
I had to laugh at this one. The reason I stopped playing on a vanilla private server was because it was too hard. I've played all the expansions - though I only played from BC on retail. Levelling solo on vanilla is way harder than on any other expansion. Of course maybe you got guildies to carry you through the levelling process so you maybe never really experienced what it was like.
It's a bit ironic, you telling people how the classic advocates have forgotten about the past whern you seemn to have forgotten about it yourself - assuming you played it and are not just regurgitating what you read from others.
Post by
Adamsm
Levelling solo on vanilla is way harder than on any other expansion. Of course maybe you got guildies to carry you through the levelling process so you maybe never really experienced what it was like.Eh....no, it's tedious compared to the others, especially if you were a class without a movement increase before 40; I remember clanking around as a warrior under 40 watching others sprint/cheetah past me. But quest wise, as long as you were 'smart' even the squishies could survive; usually by using the dot and run technique.
BC was the 'harder' questing area from my experience, because of how the world was set up and the how much of a pain in the ass it was to ride everywhere while the geography was trying to kill you by hiding mobs and aggro spots. When you hit 70 and got flying it was amazing back then...and when they lowered it to 60, it was a godsend to make things 'easier' in the leveling process and traveling.
I was a Vanilla player, and while there were some good things, to me personally, the bad far outweighed it; the cheap loot drops, the resistance set farms, the fact that if you weren't in a large dedicated guild you'd be locked out of a #$%^ ton of things, the travel time to dungeons, the fact that if a dungeon group imploded you'd have to travel back to a city get a new group then travel back to the dungeon, the mandatory raid quests that destroyed pick up group attempts, that fact that only one spec was actually playable for class and the rest were broken and didn't work at all; the list goes on in my mind.
I don't hold it against those who want to go back to those days, but there are people who's rose coloured nostalgia glasses will be shattered and pulverized into powder as the reality of what Vanilla was sets back in, but I'm sure there will be people who loved that grind; I know people who liked FFXIV 1.0 even though a majority of the world hated it.
I'm not excited for Battle because it feels like a re-hash of Cata/Mists but I do thank the WoW Gods and Goddesses for the quality of life improvements that have come out over the year to make the game better.
Post by
Jkpman
I'd also like to point out that mechanically nothing about Vanilla was hard, getting people together without add ons was hard.
I had to laugh at this one. The reason I stopped playing on a vanilla private server was because it was too hard. I've played all the expansions - though I only played from BC on retail. Levelling solo on vanilla is way harder than on any other expansion. Of course maybe you got guildies to carry you through the levelling process so you maybe never really experienced what it was like.
It's a bit ironic, you telling people how the classic advocates have forgotten about the past whern you seemn to have forgotten about it yourself - assuming you played it and are not just regurgitating what you read from others.
I guess you still lack reading comprehension. What part of the above sentence even mentioned leveling? Not that it was actually that difficult, more time consuming and grindy, with zones not even having enough quests to level out of them. Mechanically compared to todays raids, the bosses are a pushover.
I'm sorry you found Vanilla too hard, but not everybody else sees the way civgw does. But I also don't think you can really hold a valid opinion because you stole the game and the game version you stole could very possibly have been tweaked. I know a lot of the private servers have the settings altered to make thing easier.
If you were actually around at the start you won't have the rose tinted view of vanilla that so many people seem to have. It will be funny to see classic fall on it's ass as people leave in droves.
The last time I logged in you were peddling this nonsense and it doesn't seem you have learnt anything from the last time. When I left you last time, you were busy digging a hole for yourself and it seems you are still digging.
You still haven't grasped the simple concept that not everybody views things in the same way as Jkpman does. You insult people who don't share your point of view about the past. You accuse them of having faulty memories, because they don't share your blinkered view of the past.
You think telling people how it was is digging a hole and insulting? Maybe grow thicker skin, again you seem to want to be snarky but don't want to provide anything to back up what you are saying. I'm sorry if me having a consistent opinion is annoying to you, I too experienced Vanilla and I'm simply stating how it was for many people. Adamsm touched on one of the more annoying aspects that I think will be a killer for many players trying Vanilla, is things like running back from dungeons like say Dire Maul, which was around a 20min run back if memory serves me right, just to replace a person.
Like you have said, you quit because you found it too hard, I suppose difficulty is subjective and in my opinion most will quit because it's just too grindy and lacks too much of the quality of life improvements that are taken for granted these days.
A lot of people will be eating crow when Vanilla is relaunched, if it makes me a bad person in your eyes to take pleasure in those people and their opinions being thrown back in their faces then tough,I couldn't care less. I've had to listen to them bleating about how great Vanilla was, listen to lies about how they totally cleared Naxx, and all the other BS that comes from people who it seems weren't actually there for the majority of the content.
Finally yes I had a frigging awesome guild and that made things like raiding a lot easier, It's something you really needed back in Vanilla and in some respects the same today to really experience the game. I am not apologetic about having a good guild, we welcomed and helped everyone and I know a lot of guilds did so not being a part of a decent guild is a moot point, you only have yourself to blame if you weren't.
That in fact is the one thing I really enjoyed about Vanilla, the camaraderie which in some respects only comes from waiting for hours with 39 other like minded people, and which the actual quality of life improvements to the game mean a lot of that is gone.
Post by
Adamsm
Welcome to Battle for Azeroth Patch 8.1: EntitledOr alternatively....welcome to Vanilla, because all of those 'complaints' happened back then too.
Post by
civgw
To avoid queues, Blizzard will probably have to implement multiple Classic realms, but realistically, I can't see there being initial demand for more than about 2-4 of them.
There will need to be more than 4.
When Nostalrius passed their server on to another private server which reopened the Nost realms, they started with 3 (The original Nost PVP and PVE servers and a new one starting afresh). After a couple of months, when there were still queues to get in on the new one, they opened a 4th. Things settled down a bit and they were getting 40K over the 4 servers logging on in EU prime time.
Some people boycotted the private server that replaced Nostalrius, because they considered them corrupt and didn't trust them. If Nost had reopened themselves, there would have been a lot more than 40K playing. As it turned out the people who boycotted called it right and there was gold and account selling going on at the top and it's all gone pearshaped with most leaving in disgust. They are getting about 12K now logging in and most of the people who left have moved to other Vanilla or BC servers.
You are going to get way over 50K vanilla server veterans from the EU alone logging in each day and who knows how many people who havn't experience Vanilla wanting to have a look. I don't know how they are going to manage things, because they won't know how many to expect. I expect they will have too few realms for the start and it will be hellish trying to got in until things settle down.
Original Vanilla realms were not designed for 10K populations. This was partly due to server technology at that time and partly due to how Blizzard wanted the game to be played.
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