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Post by
Snake387
And they battle the forsaken.
They battle the forsaken because the forsaken are interested in taking the city. Self-defence.
Post by
morginar
And they battle the forsaken.
They battle the forsaken because the forsaken are interested in taking the city. Self-defence.
The former Dalaran magi of Ambermill have erected a magical barrier that somehow cloaks them from vision. They currently reside within some type of pocket dimension, awaiting orders from the Alliance to begin their attack. We must prevent their assault by making a pre-emptive strike. Venture to Ambermill and find information that would grant us access to the mages.
Post by
Snake387
Yes they plan to attack Lordaeron but that's again because the forsaken are oppressing them, they're striking back. Also, even if you do count this as a breach of Dalaran's neutrality (which it isn't seeing as it's just a safe have for Dalaran mages in Silverpine and the forsaken want to find out why they refuse to move, by oppressing and attacking them) the Sunreavers have done more serious and numerous crimes.
Post by
Adamsm
the Sunreavers have done more serious and numerous crimes.Not really; if anything, the Silver Covenant, Jaina and the Alliance have done far worse to the Sunreavers....after all, when was the last time Sunreavers ran around murdering Silver Covenant members and imprisoning them for the actions of two of their members?
Post by
Snake387
When was the last time the Silver Covenant helped blow up a city or used Dalaran portals to steal a dangerous bell that they then gave to a megalomaniac?
Post by
morginar
they're striking back.
Where did you find this data?
which it isn't seeing as it's just a safe have for Dalaran mages in Silverpine and the forsaken want to find out why they refuse to move, by oppressing and attacking them
Again
awaiting orders from the Alliance to begin their attack
Oppresion my soft rear end. the Sunreavers have done more serious and numerous crimes.Not really; if anything, the Silver Covenant, Jaina and the Alliance have done far worse to the Sunreavers....after all, when was the last time Sunreavers ran around murdering Silver Covenant members and imprisoning them for the actions of two of their members?
Actions of a few do not represent the actions of all.
Otherwise one could say that the scarlet crusade represent the Alliance and/or Argent Dawn/crusade.
When was the last time the Silver Covenant helped blow up a city
One renegade? Then all of alliance must be Scourge becouse of Arthas.
Used Dalaran portals to steal a dangerous bell that they then gave to a megalomaniac?
They didn't. One rogue mage that have very little evidance of being sunreaver left bread crumbs to make it look like it.
Post by
Snake387
Fair enough, thinking about attacking Lordaeron wasn't fair play, but the forsaken were attacking the town and it was built on a ley line.
And yes actions of a few Sunreavers don't represent all the Sunreavers but the actions of those few Sunreavers did have disastrous effects remember. And one of the Sunreavers did manage to infiltrate a capital city of all things. You can't expect them not to be kicked out after that, the risk's too high that they'll do something else that's even worse.
Post by
Lordplatypus
so know the horde are making though a crime?
My my, how orwellian.
Furthermore, let's remember why each faction was in the alliance in the first place
Humans: Banded together after HORDE attack.
Dwarves: Same HORDE attack
Gnomes: Above HORDE attack.
Night Elves: Joins the rest of the alliance due to HORDE threat and HORDE invasion
Draenei: Joins the Alliance due to HORDE sabotage and HORDE taking one of their gods.
Worgen: Joins alliance after HORDE invasion.
Pandaren: Joins alliance after HORDE sabotage of airship. and thus ramming into Shen zin su.
It's all the same thing.
Horde Agression and Greed are the catalyst that creates the Alliance.
Post by
morginar
Furthermore, let's remember why each faction was in the Horde in the first place
Orkses: Banded together to live in peace, then a Proudmore attacked.
Tauren: Centour attack, and similar desire for peace. Dwarves liked relics more than peace.
Troll: Proudmore attacked.
Blood Elves: Joins the rest of the Horde due to Alliance Harassment, sabotage and espionage and a night elven invasion.
Forsaken: Joins the Horde due to alliance/scarlet harassment and horde saw them as the old self and in need of redemtion.
Goblin: Joins horde after alliance assult.
Pandaren: Haven't played one, nor do i care too much.
I can play this game too.
And one of the Sunreavers did manage to infiltrate a capital city of all things
One rogue mage that have very little evidance of being sunreaver left bread crumbs to make it look like it. him?
those few Sunreavers did have disastrous effects remember Kel'thuzad had bigger.
You can't expect them not to be kicked out after thatA proper investigation and root out the few that may or may not exist. Rather than go full Kristallnacht on the blood elves.
Post by
Rankkor
Two rogue members made the sunreavers as a whole traitors?
No, but if two sunreavers betray Dalaran, who knows what could happen next? An insurgency? An assassination? The Sunreavers had broken Dalaran's neutrality twice, their counterparts hadn't broken it once and they should suffer just because Jaina wanted to be lenient? How is that fair?
again pinning the blame on an ENTIRE RACE for the actions of ONE traitor is wrong.
That's akin to one black man assassinating the US president, and then when the next US president is in office, a second black man tries to assassinate him, and as a solution the president places EVERY SINGLE AFRICAN AMERICAN MAN WOMAN AND CHILD IN AMERICA in jail.
Forever. No questions asked. Those who resist are shot in the head in the middle of the street.
Post by
Rankkor
Yes they plan to attack Lordaeron but that's again because the forsaken are oppressing them, they're striking back. Also, even if you do count this as a breach of Dalaran's neutrality (which it isn't seeing as it's just a safe have for Dalaran mages in Silverpine and the forsaken want to find out why they refuse to move, by oppressing and attacking them)
see? this is the double-standard that makes me facepalm.
Jaina openly aids the alliance by setting up the wards to the divine bell, thus breaching the neutrality of Dalaran? yo' that's totally fine and dandy.
AN ENTIRE REGIMENT OF MAGES engages in warfare against the horde, once more breaching the neutrality of Dalaran? Man that's completely cool.
But hey, lets have ONE traitor inside the sunreavers and now we gotta ready the pitchforks and torches and set up a good ol' fashioned lynch mob.
the Sunreavers have done more serious and numerous crimes.
Care to list them? because the traitor inside Theramoore was a double-agent that was a traitor to the sunreavers. Shall I list the number of traitors inside your own faction? should we blame the ENTIRE CHURCH of holy light on the actions of Benedictus? Should we blame ALL of the silver hand on the actions of the scarlet crusade?
The theft of the divine bell was set up and orchestrated by a FORMER member of the Kirin Tor who then joined the Silvermoon Reliquary forces.
Draenei: Joins the Alliance due to HORDE sabotage and HORDE taking one of their gods.
Now hold just a moment mister.
The blood elves who sabotaged their ship, who kidnapped the Naaru, and antagonized them in their 2 starting zones
ARE NOT
Horde.
Those are elves by Kael'thas, and thus loyal to the burning legion. The fact that they're being led by an
eredar
should had made that clear enough, and in that same starting zone a handful of the alliance forces in that same island were also followers of the legion.
Pandaren: Joins alliance after HORDE sabotage of airship. and thus ramming into Shen zin su.
Right........ prisoners in shackles sabotaged the ship. How blind can someone get? The ship was hit by a storm and that's why it crashlanded.
Fair enough, thinking about attacking Lordaeron wasn't fair play, but the forsaken were attacking the town and it was built on a ley line.
And yes actions of a few Sunreavers don't represent all the Sunreavers but the actions of those few Sunreavers did have disastrous effects remember. And one of the Sunreavers did manage to infiltrate a capital city of all things. You can't expect them not to be kicked out after that, the risk's too high that they'll do something else that's even worse.
Those are still just a handful of individuals, you can't expect to crush and opress an entire race for the actions of a few.
Was the entire church of holy light placed under arrest after benedictus? we're talking about the f**king pope here worshiping the old gods. Nope, not a finger raised. This after he nearly ended the world not once but TRICE.
Was the entire royal house of stormwind placed under arrest after the actions of Onyxia (Who you KNOW wasn't acting alone) which led to the entire crap with varian going missing? nope, they're still screwing everything up.
Was the entire druid organization placed under lockdown after Leyara and her homies tried to help Ragnaros and became druids of the flame? nope, they're still calling the shots in night elf society.
Were the wardens all disbanded and persecuted by the actions of Maiev? nope, they're still alive and still bossing around.
Ohhhh but lets have ONE sunreaver turn out to be a double-agent, and another rogue mage leave ambiguous evidence that maybe kinda sorta vaguely hints at another traitor AND LETS ROUND THEM UP AND KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!
you tell me if that doesn't strike you a little off.
Furthermore, let's remember why each faction was in the Horde in the first place
Orkses: Banded together and LEFT alliance lands, to live in peace elsewere, then a Proudmore attacked.
Tauren: Centaur attacked them, and similar desire for peace. Dwarves liked relics more than peace.
Troll: Proudmore attacked.
Blood Elves: Joins the rest of the Horde due to Alliance Harassment, sabotage and espionage and a night elven invasion. They tried to rejoin the alliance, and the alliance paid them back by staging a lynch mob against them.
Forsaken: Joins the Horde due to alliance/scarlet harassment and horde saw them as the old self and in need of redemtion.
Goblin: Joins horde after alliance black ops attacked their ship unprovoked and tried to kill them all.
Pandaren: Haven't played one, nor do i care too much.
Fixed.
Post by
morginar
Gracias.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Two rogue members made the sunreavers as a whole traitors?
No, but if two sunreavers betray Dalaran, who knows what could happen next? An insurgency? An assassination? The Sunreavers had broken Dalaran's neutrality twice, their counterparts hadn't broken it once and they should suffer just because Jaina wanted to be lenient? How is that fair?
again pinning the blame on an ENTIRE RACE for the actions of ONE traitor is wrong.
That's akin to one black man assassinating the US president, and then when the next US president is in office, a second black man tries to assassinate him, and as a solution the president places EVERY SINGLE AFRICAN AMERICAN MAN WOMAN AND CHILD IN AMERICA in jail.
Forever. No questions asked. Those who resist are shot in the head in the middle of the street.
No offense Rankorr, but that is an extremely poor analogy. The Sunreavers weren't a race. They were a military faction in one city from one race, albeit an important one, and who had played host to two traitors that both caused devastating consequences with their actions using the materials from their neutral allies. There really isn't a real world situation that can be equitable here, particularly not your racially charged one that's supposed to instantly gain sympathies for your argument. They stole weapons of mass destruction, they did not simply kill a leader (unless you count those killed in Theramore, like Rhonin).
Post by
Monday
LOL what alliance borders? Alterac? a traitor kingdom that was destroyed. Dalaran? First became neutral, then it took off, and while its now alliance territory, its nowhere near alterac valley anymore. Stromgarde? Destroyed. What alliance borders? That act was alliance troops invading orc territory just because they wanted to dig some relics.
Um, did you forget about Hillsbrad and the Hinterlands? Both Alliance territories and both very close to the Valley.
Now you're talking apples and oranges. The Forsaken were acting against the warchief command, as he forbade them to use the blight. As for why didn't he do anything when they disobeyed that command, is because he was both an idiot, and was too busy aggroing the rest of the world.
What of the bombing of Stonetalon, hmm? And just because Garrosh forbid it doesn't mean that it didn't happen. A full member of the Horde specifically designated these attacks.
None of the rest of the Alliance were in on the Night Elves destruction of the Shatterspear. So, tell me again, why are you allowed to lump together the Night Elves with the rest of the Alliance, but we cannot lump the Forsaken with the Horde? It is NOT apples and oranges.
You KNOW the rest of the horde races are NOTHING like the forsaken. But the night elves show the exact same approach to horde targets than the rest of the alliance.
Like what?
Siccing an entire magnataur tribe on an orc outpost? completely unprovoked, the gnomes were just too lazy to deal with the threat on their own.
It was actually a rather genius idea. The gnomes are physically smaller, weaker and slower than the Horde, so why not persuade others to do their dirty work for them? It's called asymmetrical warfare and has been a fact of life since the earliest days.
You are missing the point:
Gilneas represented a vulnerable breach into the defenses of Silverpine, it was a spot from which the alliance could launch a major invasion onto silverpine.
Attacking and securing that hole, WAS justified. Now, enslaving and converting the population? yes that was overkill. But securing the location wasn't. As the questchain in silverpine proved, that hole allowed a MAJOR contingency of alliance troops to make it into silverpine almost all the way to Tirisfal Glades.
No, it didn't. It was completely neutral and had made NO threatening moves in years. The Forsaken KNEW that Gilneas wasn't with the Alliance because most of them had been from Lordaeron and remembered when Gilneas left. It was only
after
the invasion that the Alliance sent soldiers to help the Gilneans.
Nice job breaking it, Horde.
edit: Jaina openly aids the alliance by setting up the wards to the divine bell, thus breaching the neutrality of Dalaran? yo' that's totally fine and dandy.
AN ENTIRE REGIMENT OF MAGES engages in warfare against the horde, once more breaching the neutrality of Dalaran? Man that's completely cool.
But hey, lets have ONE traitor inside the sunreavers and now we gotta ready the pitchforks and torches and set up a good ol' fashioned lynch mob.
Dalaran's neutrality was a fairly new thing. They had been part of the Alliance through two of the large wars before WoW. I, for one, can see why they would sympathize with the Alliance.
Post by
Rankkor
Two rogue members made the sunreavers as a whole traitors?
No, but if two sunreavers betray Dalaran, who knows what could happen next? An insurgency? An assassination? The Sunreavers had broken Dalaran's neutrality twice, their counterparts hadn't broken it once and they should suffer just because Jaina wanted to be lenient? How is that fair?
again pinning the blame on an ENTIRE RACE for the actions of ONE traitor is wrong.
That's akin to one black man assassinating the US president, and then when the next US president is in office, a second black man tries to assassinate him, and as a solution the president places EVERY SINGLE AFRICAN AMERICAN MAN WOMAN AND CHILD IN AMERICA in jail.
Forever. No questions asked. Those who resist are shot in the head in the middle of the street.
No offense Rankorr, but that is an extremely poor analogy. The Sunreavers weren't a race. They were a military faction in one city from one race, albeit an important one, and who had played host to
TWO
traitors that both caused devastating consequences with their actions using the materials from their neutral allies. There really isn't a real world situation that can be equitable here, particularly not your racially charged one that's supposed to instantly gain sympathies for your argument. They stole weapons of mass destruction, they did not simply kill a leader (unless you count those killed in Theramore, like Rhonin).
Again with the second traitor crap.
Dude, the sunreavers were FRAMED,
Even blizzard's website says so
The regent lord initiated conversations with King Varian Wrynn, hoping to rejoin the Alliance, but Garrosh sabotaged his diplomatic efforts by organizing a heist in Darnassus and
FOCUSING BLAME ON THE BLOOD ELVES.
And you keep using the word "They" so you are implying that all the civilians in dalaran were all in on it? The sunreavers are not a military faction, they're more akin to a political party. Remember that Dalaran is not a military stronghold, its a city, there's civilians in it, non-combatants, families. All the blood elves were represented by the Sunreavers as their political party. But no, toss an UNCONFIRMED vague ambiguous evidence of foul play, and suddenly every single loyal citizen of dalaran that just happened to be a blood elf was penned in as if all of them were in on it. Are you honestly that naive?
Refer to my above examples. Why wasn't the same treatment given to the druids after leyara pulled her stunt? why wasn't it done for the church of holy light when Benedictus did it? why wasn't it done for the wardens when maiev did it? why wasn't it done for the House of Nobles in stormwind of which there are now SEVEN confirmed traitors? Ohh but the sunreavers happened to have ONE traitor inside them and suddenly its ok to persecute an entire race?
Also please respond why is it ok for Jaina to blatantly help the alliance, and the mages in ambermill to blatantly aid the alliance, but if there's even an unconfirmed suspicion that the sunreavers aided the horde, suddenly they're all monsters?
Post by
Rankkor
LOL what alliance borders? Alterac? a traitor kingdom that was destroyed. Dalaran? First became neutral, then it took off, and while its now alliance territory, its nowhere near alterac valley anymore. Stromgarde? Destroyed. What alliance borders? That act was alliance troops invading orc territory just because they wanted to dig some relics.
Um, did you forget about Hillsbrad and the Hinterlands? Both Alliance territories and both very close to the Valley.
Hillsbrad is not alliance territory, it was contested territory. Half of it was under horde control (tarren mill) and half of it under alliance control (Southshore)
And Hinterlands? seriously? a tribe of hermit frostwolves who never participated in even a single battle against the alliance in neither the first or second war, and who just want to be left alone in their valley, are suddenly a threat to a group of dwarves that have unparalleled aerial superiority? and happen to live in an area SURROUNDED by huge mountanous terrain that makes a land-based incursion extremely hard (as shown in the book Tides of Darkness) are you kidding me?
Now you're talking apples and oranges. The Forsaken were acting against the warchief command, as he forbade them to use the blight. As for why didn't he do anything when they disobeyed that command, is because he was both an idiot, and was too busy aggroing the rest of the world.
What of the bombing of Stonetalon, hmm? And just because Garrosh forbid it doesn't mean that it didn't happen. A full member of the Horde specifically designated these attacks.
None of the rest of the Alliance were in on the Night Elves destruction of the Shatterspear. So, tell me again, why are you allowed to lump together the Night Elves with the rest of the Alliance, but we cannot lump the Forsaken with the Horde? It is NOT apples and oranges.
Because when was the last time you saw the trolls, taurens, blood elves, goblins, pandaren, or even orcs act the way the forsaken do?
As a parallel when was the last time you saw the rest of the alliance NOT act like the night elves do?
As for the bombing of stonetalon that was a rogue horde general acting on his own, and he was harshly punished for his war crime. When was the last time we've seen the alliance punish their leaders when they commit war crimes? ohhh yeah NEVER that's when.
Siccing an entire magnataur tribe on an orc outpost? completely unprovoked, the gnomes were just too lazy to deal with the threat on their own.
It was actually a rather genius idea. It's called asymmetrical warfare and has been a fact of life since the earliest days.
I wonder if you'd feel the same way if the horde pulled the same move............. ohhh wait, they did, in ashenvale, and against North Watch, With magnataurs molten giants and kraken, and everyone both in this website and in-universe condemned that attack as horde cowardice. Funny how that works no?
Who's the one with double-standards now?
You are missing the point:
Gilneas represented a vulnerable breach into the defenses of Silverpine, it was a spot from which the alliance could launch a major invasion onto silverpine.
Attacking and securing that hole, WAS justified. Now, enslaving and converting the population? yes that was overkill. But securing the location wasn't. As the questchain in silverpine proved, that hole allowed a MAJOR contingency of alliance troops to make it into silverpine almost all the way to Tirisfal Glades.
No, it didn't. It was completely neutral and had made NO threatening moves in years. The Forsaken KNEW that Gilneas wasn't with the Alliance because most of them had been from Lordaeron and remembered when Gilneas left. It was only
after
the invasion that the Alliance sent soldiers to help the Gilneans.
Nice job breaking it, Horde.
You are still missing the point. It matters not if the gilneans were or werent friendly with the alliance, their land represented a vulnerable breach from which the alliance could easily invade Silverpine. That breach had to be secured. In the hypotetical case that Greymane wanted to forbid the alliance from using his land as a staging area for a major invasion......... how the hell would he stop them? he and his military were kinda busy trying to not die to a worgen apocalypse.
edit: Jaina openly aids the alliance by setting up the wards to the divine bell, thus breaching the neutrality of Dalaran? yo' that's totally fine and dandy.
AN ENTIRE REGIMENT OF MAGES engages in warfare against the horde, once more breaching the neutrality of Dalaran? Man that's completely cool.
But hey, lets have ONE traitor inside the sunreavers and now we gotta ready the pitchforks and torches and set up a good ol' fashioned lynch mob.
Dalaran's neutrality was a fairly new thing. They had been part of the Alliance through two of the large wars before WoW. I, for one, can see why they would sympathize with the Alliance.
it doesn't matter if its new or old, neutral is neutral. I find it highly hypocritical to say "WE R NEUTRALZ" *Secretly aid alliance*
Suddenly they suspect some of their own aiding the horde and they go "HEY, STOP THAT, WE R NEUTRALZ" *Meanwhile still secretly aid the alliance.*
Neutral my big hairy ass.
Post by
Monday
Hillsbrad is not alliance territory, it was contested territory. Half of it was under horde control (tarren mill) and half of it under alliance control (Southshore)
Only because of Forsaken aggression. As a matter of fact, that makes the Alliance extra justified in attempting to secure their borders.
Because when was the last time you saw the trolls, taurens, blood elves, goblins, pandaren, or even orcs act the way the forsaken do?
*cough* Stonetalon *cough*
As a parallel when was the last time you saw the rest of the alliance NOT act like the night elves do?
Riddle me this: When have we seen the rest of the Alliance act like Night Elves?
I wonder if you'd feel the same way if the horde pulled the same move............. ohhh wait, they did, in ashenvale, and everyone in this website condemned that attack as horde cowardice.
Who's the one with double-standards now?
Because the bombing of a peaceful druid settlement is totally the same as provoking natives to attack a military outpost. *rolls eyes*
he and his military were kinda busy trying to not die to a worgen apocalypse.
Because everyone totally knew that.
No, I'm kidding. NOBODY knew that. Nobody at all. Your logic hinges on two facts:
Gilneans were Alliance/Alliance sympathizers
Everyone knew about the worgen curse
Both of these are patently
wrong
. Gilneas was completely neutral and
nobody
knew about the worgen plague.
That breach had to be secured.
So it's completely cool to invade non-aggressive neighboring countries because they share a border with you? That's some of the dumbest logic I've heard in awhile.
So how would you feel if Stormwind went and took the Swamp of Sorrows and the Blasted Lands? Now that the Legion threat is gone, they don't need to worry about a Legion attack and a bipartisan presence isn't needed, and both eventually threaten the security of Alliance lands.
it doesn't matter if its new or old, neutral is neutral. I find it highly hypocritical to say "WE R NEUTRALZ" *Secretly aid alliance*
America did the same thing in World War I. It's how war goes.
Post by
oneforthemoney
You are missing the point:
Gilneas represented a vulnerable breach into the defenses of Silverpine, it was a spot from which the alliance could launch a major invasion onto silverpine.
Attacking and securing that hole, WAS justified. Now, enslaving and converting the population? yes that was overkill. But securing the location wasn't. As the questchain in silverpine proved, that hole allowed a MAJOR contingency of alliance troops to make it into silverpine almost all the way to Tirisfal Glades.
No, it didn't. It was completely neutral and had made NO threatening moves in years. The Forsaken KNEW that Gilneas wasn't with the Alliance because most of them had been from Lordaeron and remembered when Gilneas left. It was only
after
the invasion that the Alliance sent soldiers to help the Gilneans.
Nice job breaking it, Horde.
You are still missing the point. It matters not if the gilneans were or werent friendly with the alliance, their land represented a vulnerable breach from which the alliance could easily invade Silverpine. That breach had to be secured. In the hypotetical case that Greymane wanted to forbid the alliance from using his land as a staging area for a major invasion......... how the hell would he stop them? he and his military were kinda busy trying to not die to a worgen apocalypse.
Well...there was the fact that the only way to attack from Gilneas was through the wall, a massive choke point for either side. So really, to secure it, they would only need to reinforce Shadowfang and Pyrewood rather than invade a country. The only reason the Alliance managed to push the Forsaken back so far was because the Forsaken had overextended their lines and therefore had no secure fall back point when they lost their momentum.
Post by
Rankkor
I wonder if you'd feel the same way if the horde pulled the same move............. ohhh wait, they did, in ashenvale, and everyone in this website condemned that attack as horde cowardice.
Who's the one with double-standards now?
Because the bombing of a peaceful druid settlement is totally the same as provoking natives to attack a military outpost. *rolls eyes*
The place they sicced the magnataurs WAS NOT a military outpost, it was a settlement. Also the horde used the same tactics of "asymmetrical warfare" on North Watch and again in-universe and in this website everyone condemned the attack as horde cowardice.
I ask again, who's the one with double standards?
he and his military were kinda busy trying to not die to a worgen apocalypse.
Because everyone totally knew that.
No, I'm kidding. NOBODY knew that. Nobody at all. Your logic hinges on two facts:
Gilneans were Alliance/Alliance sympathizers
Everyone knew about the worgen curse
Both of these are patently
wrong
. Gilneas was completely neutral and
nobody
knew about the worgen plague.
Curse of the worgen kinda debunks that. Forsaken knew about the worgen invasion and tied 2 and 2 together. If the alliance wanted to use the gilnean peninsula as a staging point for an invasion, the gilneans would either join in, or be completely powerless to stop them.
That breach had to be secured.
So it's completely cool to invade non-aggressive neighboring countries because they share a border with you? That's some of the dumbest logic I've heard in awhile.
So how would you feel if Stormwind went and took the Swamp of Sorrows and the Blasted Lands? Now that the Legion threat is gone, they don't need to worry about a Legion attack and a bipartisan presence isn't needed, and both eventually threaten the security of Alliance lands.
They tried. And got their asses kicked for their trouble =P
it doesn't matter if its new or old, neutral is neutral. I find it highly hypocritical to say "WE R NEUTRALZ" *Secretly aid alliance*
America did the same thing in World War I. It's how war goes.
Again the double-standard. If it was horde doing the same, everyone would be flaring up in anger, but if its the alliance doing it, "that's how war goes"
but hey, let the horde pull a brilliant military tactic and sudenly they're monsters, they have no honor, they deserve to be enslaved again, blah blah blah.
Morality asides, Theramoore was nothing more than a stroke of genius. Remove one major staging point of alliance military prowess, remove their best generals and upper echelon leadership, and NOT KILL A SINGLE CIVILIAN in the process.
Pure genius. But ask any joe what they feel about thearmoore and they're all like "WORST.CRIME.EVER"
Bet you if the alliance pulled a reverse theramoore on the horde, it would be white-washed with "that's war"
Post by
Monday
The place they sicced the magnataurs WAS NOT a military outpost, it was a settlement.
Every settlement in Northrend was a military outpost. The Scourge presence necessitated it.
Also the horde used the same tactics of "asymmetrical warfare" on North Watch and again in-universe and in this website everyone condemned the attack as horde cowardice.
Who here did that? I haven't condemned the attack on Northwatch Hold, nor has anyone else (unless I'm missing something. It's entirely possible).
If the alliance wanted to use the gilnean peninsula as a staging point for an invasion, the gilneans would either join in, or be completely powerless to stop them.
So once again, I ask if it's okay to invade neighboring, peaceful, neutral countries because they may possibly be invaded by another and used to invade yours?
Again the double-standard.
I'm curious as to why you're crying double standard on me. Where have I said that the attacks were horrible and terrible? All I've done is condemn Forsaken attacks on Alliance territory (which are unprovoked and made purely for land gain).
Morality asides, Theramoore was nothing more than a stroke of genius. Remove one major staging point of alliance military prowess, remove their best generals and upper echelon leadership, and NOT KILL A SINGLE CIVILIAN in the process.
When did I ever say that Theramoore was a terrible war crime?
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