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Post by
Adamsm
Calling Golden Alliance Bias would be the same as calling Sylvanas as such; a sign of not knowing a single thing about the Warcraft universe.
I myself dislike Golden's writing lately, but she has done more for the Orcs then pretty much anyone but Metzen.
Also, Tides of War was set up by Blizzard themselves, so if Baine said something, that came from the big wigs, not the author.
I must admit I find it odd you say that, because not that long ago, you blamed her exclusively for ruining Kalec by pairing him with Jaina. Even though that abominable idea didn't came from her, that was also from blizzard and she was just supposed to word it (and it would suck no matter who wrote it, there's just no way to put that ship together without it looking like crap)
I blamed her for how she wrote him in the book; while Blizzard may have wanted them paired, she took the strong Kalec I was used to and made him into a living plot point, without trying to flesh him out or use the personality he had in any of the Knaak works. But as Kalec is one of my alt time favorite Warcraft characters, I may be jaded in that regard.
Edit: In other words, while I dislike what is written, and would wish to the Naaru it was non-canon, I know it exists in the Warcraft universe.
Post by
Atik
Edit: And by that I mean, at least the people in the Camp died quickly...not like those poor bastards in Southshore who were melted from the inside out, turned into oozes, or captured by a crazed Forsaken and planted like flowers.
Indeed, a truly crazed fellow he was.
We all know it's far more effective to simply kill and raise them. No need to waste energy burying the poor sods up to their neck.
Post by
4dehorde
Excuse me, but I don't believe you. The sheer fact that you guys have constantly tried to whitewash one of the worst massacres in Warcraft history clearly shows you are not Horde fans of any sort, and you will certainly not be able to convince me otherwise.
yoink!
So, as I've said several times: Just let this thread die, because there isn't going to be anything new that hasn't been said a thousand times before.
Just remember though: For all that you say we white wash the Camp, you do the same for Southshore.
Edit: And by that I mean, at least the people in the Camp died quickly...not like those poor bastards in Southshore who were melted from the inside out, turned into oozes, or captured by a crazed Forsaken and planted like flowers.
yoink!
Completely untrue. I have never not once tried to whitewash Southshore like you guys constantly whitewash Taurajo. I have stated time and time again that Southshore was regrettable, but as usual you continue to ignore what I say and make up crap.
You really cannot say which group of people died faster. At least the people of Southshore weren't burned alive like many of those at Taurajo. And nobody from Southshore was turned into an ooze. That's just some pro-Alliance fantasy used to demonize the Forsaken. There are plenty of real reasons to not particularly admire the Forsaken without making stuff up.
Calling Golden Alliance Bias would be the same as calling Sylvanas as such; a sign of not knowing a single thing about the Warcraft universe.
I myself dislike Golden's writing lately, but she has done more for the Orcs then pretty much anyone but Metzen. Also, Tides of War was set up by Blizzard themselves, so if Baine said something, that came from the big wigs, not the author.
I honestly believe I know quite a lot about the Warcraft universe. I have done exhaustive research on the subject.
Perhaps I should elaborate for all you fellas. Golden has a clear Alliance bias when it comes to issues like Taurajo, and I can explain why what she made Baine say cannot be accepted as canon. Though I figured I wouldn't have to. It is rather obvious.Excuse me, but I don't believe you. The sheer fact that you guys have constantly tried to whitewash one of the worst massacres in Warcraft history clearly shows you are not Horde fans of any sort, and you will certainly not be able to convince me otherwise.
This is a classic
"No true Scotsman"
logical fallacy. You may believe it to be the case but it is not something you should use to ignore someone's points instead of addressing them. You should respect the users and their opinions more than that.
I am sorry if you feel like I am being unreasonable, but I cannot accept their claims of being Horde fans. No Horde fan would ever see the absolute atrocity the Alliance committed at Taurajo, the bloodlust massacre of innocent civilians, and write it off as simply "Well that's ok, this is war". I will however relent if they can explain to me, clear and honest, of why they feel that way. I always view the outright massacre of innocent civilians as completely wrong and intolerable, and I want to know how they can approach it any differently.(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##I've taken out the stuff where you got personal. You were responding to someone else getting personal but I already dealt with that so I don't expect to see it come up again.
Post by
Atik
Completely untrue. I have never not once tried to whitewash Southshore like you guys constantly whitewash Taurajo. I have stated time and time again that Southshore was regrettable, but as usual you continue to ignore what I say and make up crap.
Southshore was regrettable? Southshore was a mgnificent victory for the Forsaken!
And the only regrettable part of Turajo is the loss of good soldiers and a strategic position. DEATH TO THE LIVING!
And nobody from Southshore was turned into an ooze. That's just some pro-Alliance fantasy used to demonize the Forsaken.
I assure you, good sir. The Blight is quite effective at oozification of all mater, living or dead. Any survivors were most likely outside the blast radius, or fled quickly enough to avoid complete dissolve-ation.
Any caught within the blast, in a quite amusing fasion, found themselves quite painfully melted into ooze, preferably from the inside out.
Post by
Skreeran
I am sorry if you feel like I am being unreasonable, but I cannot accept their claims of being Horde fans. No Horde fan would ever see the absolute atrocity the Alliance committed at Taurajo, the bloodlust massacre of innocent civilians, and write it off as simply "Well that's ok, this is war". I will however relent if they can explain to me, clear and honest, of why they feel that way. I always view the outright massacre of innocent civilians as completely wrong and intolerable, and I want to know how they can approach it any differently.I've played Horde for years, all but one of my WoW characters are Horde, I've written numerous Horde-centric fan-fics, and the vast majority of my RP character are Horde.
I think I qualify as a Horde fan.
Post by
Persen
Completely untrue. I have never not once tried to whitewash Southshore like you guys constantly whitewash Taurajo. I have stated time and time again that Southshore was regrettable, but as usual you continue to ignore what I say and make up crap.
Southshore was regrettable? Southshore was a mgnificent victory for the Forsaken!
And the only regrettable part of Turajo is the loss of good soldiers and a strategic position. DEATH TO THE LIVING!
And nobody from Southshore was turned into an ooze. That's just some pro-Alliance fantasy used to demonize the Forsaken.
I assure you, good sir. The Blight is quite effective at oozification of all mater, living or dead. Any survivors were most likely outside the blast radius, or fled quickly enough to avoid complete dissolve-ation.
Any caught within the blast, in a quite amusing fasion, found themselves quite painfully melted into ooze, preferably from the inside out.
SEVERE STOMACH PAIN?
Post by
Atik
Completely untrue. I have never not once tried to whitewash Southshore like you guys constantly whitewash Taurajo. I have stated time and time again that Southshore was regrettable, but as usual you continue to ignore what I say and make up crap.
Southshore was regrettable? Southshore was a mgnificent victory for the Forsaken!
And the only regrettable part of Turajo is the loss of good soldiers and a strategic position. DEATH TO THE LIVING!
And nobody from Southshore was turned into an ooze. That's just some pro-Alliance fantasy used to demonize the Forsaken.
I assure you, good sir. The Blight is quite effective at oozification of all mater, living or dead. Any survivors were most likely outside the blast radius, or fled quickly enough to avoid complete dissolve-ation.
Any caught within the blast, in a quite amusing fasion, found themselves quite painfully melted into ooze, preferably from the inside out.
SEVERE STOMACH PAIN?
"Now all can see, this is the hour of the Fo-*BURP*... ugh, excuse me..." -Wrathgate Blooper
Post by
morginar
"Well that's ok, this is war".I always view the outright massacre of innocent civilians as completely wrong and intolerable.
Ain't that whatcha saying 'bout Southshore?
Tha it's a good and legit victory?
Yet killing some tauren is miles worse when they are 'bout equal in evilness?
I fail to see your logic mister arch-fanatic of the horde.
Post by
355559
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Rankkor
I find it funny how he completely ignored my post. T_T Why so many people do that?
Post by
morginar
I find it funny how he completely ignored my post. T_T Why so many people do that?
Becouse they are too good?
And exterme?
Post by
Behelich
I find it funny how he completely ignored my post. T_T Why so many people do that?
You have a scary 'role' field under your nickname; therefore, you are feared.
Post by
Monday
He ignores the ones he can't defeat?
Regardless, whether Golden is an Alliance fan or not is irrelevant. She acted under Blizzard's guidelines and jurisdiction. Tell me, have you ever made a piece of art (literature, painting, etc) for a large company? They don't just give you carte blanche to do what you want. They give you page upon page of details of how
exactly
it should go.
For example, I was chatting with one of the illustrators for Magic: The Gathering, once. He told me that, whenever he's given a new card to illustrate, he's given TWO PAGES of material on what they want the card to look like.
Additionally, I've spoken with an author who wrote fiction for a company. They gave him a thirty page packet on how EXACTLY they wanted the story to go, what the characters should do, etc. It's not like Golden just decided to pull that out of midair. Blizzard gave the information to her and told her to put it in the novel.
Post by
oneforthemoney
I don't know why you all are still bothering to reply to him. When he says he is not only the sole Horde fan here, but that canon events, statements and the like are inherently wrong for reasons of his personal opinion, there really isn't anything to do but look on in bewilderment.
Not only that, but for the last three pages (at minimum) this topic has been severely derailed. Maybe it should just be locked.
I find it funny how he completely ignored my post. T_T Why so many people do that?
As for this, he tends to not reply to statements that actually prove him wrong, or he falls back on logic fallacies. If anything, it reflects well on you Rankorr.
Post by
Adamsm
I can explain why what she made Baine say cannot be accepted as canon.But...it is Canon. Nothing you can say can change the fact that it was said in a novel, under the direction of Blizzard. So, yes, Baine has admitted Taurjo is a military target. That's pretty much end of discussion there.
I can say a million times that Kalec and Jaina did not hook up...and that does not make it any less true that it happened.
Post by
Monday
(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##None of that even touched on the topic.
I am disappoint etc.
Help yourself to a warning on the way out of the thread.
Honestly I'm getting sick of dealing with this thread so I may lock it but if I have to there will be
blood
lost rep.
I don't know why you all are still bothering to reply to him.
I find it amusing to watch how far he will go to ignore canon and cited fact and instead call his opinion 'fact' and label us all 'Alliance fans' (all with a calm, reasonable tone of voice often used by those suffering from some form of insanity).
And apparently Alliance fans are inferior to Horde fans. This does seem to be a form of prejudice, but that's immaterial compared to the main point.
Maybe it should just be locked.
Disappointingly, the mods disagree with us on that point.
Besides, even if I get annoyed at this debate, I still have
this
to go back to whenever I want a laugh. I still have screenshots of the original before he deleted a bunch of replies.
Post by
Rankkor
I find it funny how he completely ignored my post. T_T Why so many people do that?
You have a scary 'role' field under your nickname; therefore, you are feared.
but...... but...... you have a Role field under your nickname too. And a Title. And a golden frame around your portrait.
You're scary too T_T
Post by
Lordplatypus
It's as canon as the horde's plot armor throughout cata, it's as canon as thrall's balls, it's as canon as furion deciding not to give a crap about the forest being cut down, it's as canon as the destruction of theramoore and as canon as garrosh somehow being given the tittle of warchief.
It's as canon as the fact that hogger is awesome.
Post by
4dehorde
"Well that's ok, this is war".I always view the outright massacre of innocent civilians as completely wrong and intolerable.
Ain't that whatcha saying 'bout Southshore?
Tha it's a good and legit victory?
Yet killing some tauren is miles worse when they are 'bout equal in evilness?
I fail to see your logic mister arch-fanatic of the horde.
Incorrect again. I never said that about Southshore. Why do you people keep making up things you wish I said about Southshore?
I am sorry if you feel like I am being unreasonable, but I cannot accept their claims of being Horde fans. No Horde fan would ever see the absolute atrocity the Alliance committed at Taurajo, the bloodlust massacre of innocent civilians, and write it off as simply "Well that's ok, this is war". I will however relent if they can explain to me, clear and honest, of why they feel that way. I always view the outright massacre of innocent civilians as completely wrong and intolerable, and I want to know how they can approach it any differently.I've played Horde for years, all but one of my WoW characters are Horde, I've written numerous Horde-centric fan-fics, and the vast majority of my RP character are Horde.
I think I qualify as a Horde fan.
You cannot tell us we are not horde fans. It's not under your jurisdiction.
You can call yourselves Horde fans all you want. I'm not going to stop you. But when you try to justify one of the worst atrocities committed against the Horde it really says something else.I find it funny how he completely ignored my post. T_T Why so many people do that?
What post are you referring to?
I don't know why you all are still bothering to reply to him. When he says he is not only the sole Horde fan here, but that canon events, statements and the like are inherently wrong for reasons of his personal opinion, there really isn't anything to do but look on in bewilderment.
Not only that, but for the last three pages (at minimum) this topic has been severely derailed. Maybe it should just be locked.
I find it funny how he completely ignored my post. T_T Why so many people do that?
As for this, he tends to not reply to statements that actually prove him wrong, or he falls back on logic fallacies. If anything, it reflects well on you Rankorr.
I
am
the only Horde fan here. I never tried to disprove canon events. I am looking on in bewilderment however. How can you people possibly expect to get away with making things up about me and putting words in my mouth when all can see otherwise?
Amusing. I reply to most statements directed at me and if I miss one from time to time that does not mean I avoided it. None of you have been able to prove me wrong yet so don't even start.
I can explain why what she made Baine say cannot be accepted as canon.But...it is Canon. Nothing you can say can change the fact that it was said in a novel, under the direction of Blizzard. So, yes, Baine has admitted Taurjo is a military target. That's pretty much end of discussion there.
I can say a million times that Kalec and Jaina did not hook up...and that does not make it any less true that it happened.
The reason it cannot be accepted as canon is simple. There is simply no way, logical or otherwise, Camp Taurajo can be described as a military target. It was not used for military purposes like Southshore, and to be honest it was an almost all-civilian town with the exception of a few guards to protect against quillboar raids.
And even if it were canon, the entire thing would still be irrelevant. Poor Baine might not have enough information on the event. He seems to not even know it
was
a massacre instead of an attack.
He ignores the ones he can't defeat?
Regardless, whether Golden is an Alliance fan or not is irrelevant. She acted under Blizzard's guidelines and jurisdiction. Tell me, have you ever made a piece of art (literature, painting, etc) for a large company? They don't just give you carte blanche to do what you want. They give you page upon page of details of how
exactly
it should go.
For example, I was chatting with one of the illustrators for Magic: The Gathering, once. He told me that, whenever he's given a new card to illustrate, he's given TWO PAGES of material on what they want the card to look like.
Additionally, I've spoken with an author who wrote fiction for a company. They gave him a thirty page packet on how EXACTLY they wanted the story to go, what the characters should do, etc. It's not like Golden just decided to pull that out of midair. Blizzard gave the information to her and told her to put it in the novel.
Again I don't ignore anyone, unless they are being uncivil.
Can you provide some sort of proof of these claims?
Also fellas I'm still waiting on your thoughts. How can you possibly justify a bloody massacre like Taurajo? Explain to me because what I've gathered thus far tells me most of you are okay with the outright slaughter of innocent, unarmed people. I am hoping I am wrong and you guys are not like that. And don't say I justify Southshore because I don't.
Post by
Atik
You can call yourselves Horde fans all you want. I'm not going to stop you. But when you try to justify one of the worst atrocities committed against the Horde it really says something else.
The 'atrocity' as you call it wasn't against the Horde at all. There was one thing in that town.
Disgusting, gross, living Tauren.
All the Alliance did was save us the trouble when the Blight eventually gets launched in Kalimdor.
I AM the only Horde fan here. I never tried to disprove canon events. I am looking on in bewilderment however. How can you people possibly expect to get away with making things up about me and putting words in my mouth when all can see otherwise?
Amusing. I reply to most statements directed at me and if I miss one from time to time that does not mean I avoided it. None of you have been able to prove me wrong yet so don't even start.
You have yet to reply to a single of my posts! You have repeatedly ignored the word of the glorious Banshee Queen!
LIAR LIAR PANTS FOR HIRE!
The reason it cannot be accepted as canon is simple. There is simply no way, logical or otherwise, Camp Taurajo can be described as a military target. It was not used for military purposes like Southshore, and to be honest it was an almost all-civilian town with the exception of a few guards to protect against quillboar raids.
And even if it were canon, the entire thing would still be irrelevant. Poor Baine might not have enough information on the event. He might not even know it was a massacre instead of an attack.
Military or not, it was a
living
target.
And we all know what wrong with living targets.
Hint: They're not goo yet :D
Also fellas I'm still waiting on your thoughts. How can you possibly justify a bloody massacre like Taurajo? Explain to me because what I've gathered thus far tells me most of you are okay with the outright slaughter of innocent, unarmed people. I am hoping I am wrong and you guys are not like that. And don't say I justify Southshore because I don't.
Simple; they would have died anyway.
Fel, this might get the Tauren on our side when we propose Blighting the Alliance. Oh the delicious irony...
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