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Post by
Eboy
Sargeras is the one who created the burning legion. But the funny thing is, he have never been coming up in game.So my thoughts is that Sargeras will be a boss in next expansion maybe.Sargeras is a very veeery big part of WoW but never been showed up.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Sargeras
Information about who he is.
Post by
Adamsm
Sargeras won't show up till the final expansion.
And he forged the Legion, but there were demonic races running around in Azeroth before his fall.
Post by
Tuckletuts
I'd love another 'demonic' style expansion.
As people have pointed out, we still have an Old God to kill (N'Zoth or something like that), so a final expansion to kill him would also be good.
The idea that Sargeras has spent these past years since he spoke to Illidan rebuilding his power (maybe creating new demonic races too, because as much as I love the current Pitlords/Shiva etc, some new mobs would be nice.
Some people ask how it could be done, to which I reply in one of 2 ways. The first could be that Sargeras has finally had enough and is sick of Azeroth not being destroyed and decides to invade again through a new portal, with the possibility of the other Titans being involved. The second could be that after defeating N'Zoth and ending the emerald nightmare, us cocky adventurers could figure out some way of entering the Twisting Nether (the homeland of the Demon horde) and assault Sargeras himself.
In a way, he really should be the very final boss of WoW, and with that in mind, I would like him to be of a difficulty similar to C'thun, which took most guilds a loooooong time to down. I mean, considering he is the final boss, he should be REALLY hard...
Post by
Adamsm
(N'Zoth or something like that)There's still an Unnamed Old God out there as well as N'Zoth; there were 5 of them on Azeroth: Yogg and C'thun are lobotomized, the Seven Headed One is dead and the forger of the Sha.
The idea that Sargeras has spent these past years since he spoke to Illidan rebuilding his power Ugh, that was Kil'Jaeden, not Sargeras....
The first could be that Sargeras has finally had enough and is sick of Azeroth not being destroyed and decides to invade again through a new portalWould need a new group summoning him; there is something about Azeroth that keeps the Demonic hordes from just being able to pop onto the planet by themselves.
and ending the emerald nightmareThat was ended in the book Stormrage.
some way of entering the Twisting Nether (the homeland of the Demon horde) and assault Sargeras himself. The Nether is infinite twisted space, that is just out of phase with the Azerothian Universe, and is a type of corridor that the Legion uses to travel from the different Legionized worlds....aka it would be like fighting in space.
Post by
murphmanfa
some way of entering the Twisting Nether (the homeland of the Demon horde) and assault Sargeras himself. The Nether is infinite twisted space, that is just out of phase with the Azerothian Universe, and is a type of corridor that the Legion uses to travel from the different Legionized worlds....aka it would be like fighting in space.
I think that you might find Blizz sends a hit squad to your house since you've revealed what the final part of StarCraft II is about.
Post by
afroninja27
Sargeras is the one who created the burning legion. But the funny thing is, he have never been coming up in game.So my thoughts is that Sargeras will be a boss in next expansion maybe.Sargeras is a very veeery big part of WoW but never been showed up.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Sargeras
Information about who he is.
WELL THEN SINCE YOU ASKED,
TO TALK OF SARGERAS IS TO TALK OF THE TITANS! Quite literally actually. We all know he is the fallen Titan. But why did he fall? Well he did so to destroy chaos... without chaos, order would not exist. And without order neither will chaos, they are two sides of the same coin. So Sargeras tried destroying chaos and so to be rid of chaos he is now trying to destroy "order" to put it simply. Now we also now that the Titans are "beings of order" so who is Sargeras trying to destroy? The Titans (duh) but how to kill a Titan one may ask?
Well the only known account of a fallen titan is guess where?... AZEROTH... Azeroth is the only place where a titan has died. But what happens when a titan dies? who knows but one thing that is for certain that Titans were able to create life so where would all that power go? Hmmm lets see creation of life and Azeroth? Maybe the Well of Eternity! This would explain the Reasons behind the War of the Ancients. We saw the giant demon portal created by the WoE which was able to let a certain pit Lord named MANNOROTH who is not a small fry into azeroth. But Since the WoE was destroyed we must find another source, that looks very much like that one puddle inside the VALE OF ETERNAL BLOSSOMS yes the WoE and the VoEB come from the same source. So if the SW and WoE were capable of bringing big baddies into Azeroth why not the VoEB?
But if the WoE was not enough how would VoEB reach a point in power to bring the All Powerful Sargeras into Azeroth? It would need a Catalyst of some sort... A Cataclysm to happen? O_O yes we all know Cata is done and over but what about the backstory behind it and the corruption of Deathwing. He succumbed to the will of the Old Gods. But also created a rift between elemental plane and Azeroth. A rift created by the sheer strength of Deathwing breaking the boundaries between them. And as a result BOTH PLANES DREW CLOSER TO ONE ANOTHER! This is big because if the Elemental Plane is now closer to azeroth than ever before, wouldnt the same apply to places such as the Twisting Nether which is the path to the great beyond?
Now lets make some connections, in order to bring sargeras we need a great source of power(VoEB) to open the door. A path for sargeras to travel(twisting nether). And a catalyst to start it all. Now there is a certain catalyst that has had a part in almost all the expansions of WoW and they are the old gods. But more importantly the The Big 3. We know that the Big 3 are the most influential yet we have only confronted 2 of them, C'thun and Yogg. Where is the third? Well that third has been carefully planning and waiting. He's been playing the "end game" and his name is N'Zoth. Up to this point he is known to have influence in deathwings fall, the emerald dream, and the rise of the naga. All of these almost ended with the end of life on azeroth as we know it but what if they were all just tests.
So Let's Recap These tests/attempts
1) War of the Ancients(Failed) Well was not powerful enough. But gained the important information that Sargeras is "too far/powerful" to transport through its power alone.
2) Emerald Dream(Failed) We were able to stop Algalon from destroying azeroth and resetting to the contaminated version of Azeroth. Not to mention that Xavius was defeated and the corruption was quelled within the dream.
But N'Zoth then was able to maintain a foothold in the dream unscathed to find a new host in Azeroth.
3) Sunwell(Failed) The Kil'Jaeden was thwarted in his attempt to completely manifest into azeroth and was sent back into the twisting nether.
4) Deathwing's Appearance(failed) thwarted by us once again. Weakened the boundaries between azeroth and the other planes including teh twisting nether. Also gave him a foot hold int he mortal world... Nightmare Scar in the Barrens.
And now finally where we are now.
N'Zoth cant simply come into azeroth and destroy us... it doesn't work. Cthun and Yogg found that out personally. He knows he cant beat us. So what does he need? A new host. One that is bigger, badder, and stronger than any of the baddies.
Malfurion says I fear for the worst, old friend. Within the Dream we fight a new foe, born of an ancient evil. Ysera's noble brood has fallen victim to the old whisperings. It seems as if the Nightmare has broken through the realm to find a new host on Azeroth
Now the biggest baddie as you said is Sargeras and that's who N'Zoth wants. No more, no less. I mean what host could be better for chaos incarnate than order incarnate gone bad? But how will N'Zoth acheive bringing Sargeras into Azeroth? Well we know that N'Zoth's hold within the depths Emerald Dream is the Rift Of Aln. The same rift that is connected to the Twisting Nether, Maelstrom, and the Great Beyond(aka SPACE) which is where the Titans reside and presumably Sargeras.
And now the pieces come together...
We are in MoP home of the VoEB. We are prepping the scene for what is soon to come. N'Zoths final test. Corrupting Garrosh with the use of the of blood of an old god(Y'Saarjh).(Maybe through the use of the 7th Sha?) This test although thwarted is successful to our knowledge. With the blood of a dead Old God N'Zoth is able to corrupt one of the mightiest warriors on Azeroth.
Conclusion
N'zoth Has completed his tests. Now he just has to set the plan in motion which are our next expansion(s).
For the Last expansion there is no new continent on Azeroth but rather developing what already exists. Now we just have to play the game of what-if's.
What if Wrathion/Raden accidentally sets in motion N'Zoth's plan by igniting the VoEB some how.
N'Zoth could then create a portal from VoEB which is amplified by the power of the Maelstrom created by deathwing.
What if this portal is now strong enough to open a path through the Emerald Dream where the Rift Of Aln is ever-present.
Now We have a permanent portal in which the Burning Legion can now enter Azeroth... but we aren't punks. We are not going to just roll over for the Burning Legion. NO we are going to take the fight to them!
WE ARE GOING TO ENTER THAT PORTAL AND KICK SOME DEMON BOOOTAAY!
We are going to stop N'Zoth in his race to possess Sargeras and take them both down by the throat and taking all their LOOTS. And in the end prove to the Titans just like we did the Aspects.. that we're cooler than them.
But alas in the end this is all just speculation. A figment of what i hope to happen because i really wanna go to space guys i really do.. :(..
Well this is what i believe will happen.. and maybe i should move this to a thread on its own.
Eh.. Mod's Feel free to do so...lol...sorry :P
Best Regards
Note to self: Write on word before forums.
Note to self: NO MORE BLOCK TEXT.
Big Ups to Anne Stickney and Matthew Rossi over at WoW Insider.
They were alot of my base and inspiration at looking at azeroth from a different perspective.
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Post by
Adamsm
The klaxxi seem set on an old god. A little too centrally to pass it up that easily....
Yeah but the Old God they worshiped is dead and the reason for the Sha. They told us though that if the other two Old Gods come back they'll be lining up to join their armies.
Post by
Adamsm
The Old God on Pandaria is dead, because from it's dying breath came the Sha.
Edit: And it also matches up with the Ordering story where the Titan Forging team killed an Old God, which was long thought to be C'thun(so that was a case of just a little dead), but it's been since found out that it was the Seven-Headed Old One Y'shaarj who had been killed.
Post by
murphmanfa
The Old God on Pandaria is dead, because from it's dying breath came the Sha.
Out of curiosity, what's the lore citation on that? I haven't seen it in any of the quests or lore items thus far, unless I've completely overlooked it or forgotten it.
Post by
Adamsm
The Klaxxi tell you that in the conversation.
Post by
afroninja27
Omg that is such a long post. But I stopped right after
he did so to destroy chaos
No. That's not right at all. He fell because, after "saving" and "helping" so many worlds, he saw just how endless the Burning Legion was, and it depressed him, eventually driving him mad. Hence his fall.
Edit: Went back and read it. So, let's talk.
War of the Ancients(Failed) Well was not powerful enough.
That is not the reason he failed to enter Azeroth. I do suggest you read the War of the Ancients books.
Now the biggest baddie as you said is Sargeras and that's who N'Zoth wants
I am not sure if I agree or disagree with this. It's interesting.
I don't, however, think that we will see an Old God this expac. The purpose of this xpac is to focus on the horde/alliance war. I think we'll get back to N'Zoth in the next expansion.
I also don't think the vale of eternal blossoms will be involved at all.
Alright so i went back and read my post and realized that i COMPLETELY misquoted about the WoE. Like im ashamed of the fact i would even say such a thing. I don't know where my perspective of it was skewed. I thank you for pointing that out.
Now when i said he did so to destroy chaos I was too vague in my explanation. What i meant by that was that he realizes that their only 2 sides order/chaos. And that through his eternal battle with the legion, he began to realize that the Pantheon/Titans are responsible for their initial corruption. This being due to the Titans changing the true nature of the universe.
And lastly, I don't believe that this will happen this expansion either.
We are in MoP home of the VoEB. We are prepping the scene for what is soon to come. N'Zoths final test. Corrupting Garrosh with the use of the of blood of an old god(Y'Saarjh).(Maybe through the use of the 7th Sha?) This test although thwarted is successful to our knowledge. With the blood of a dead Old God N'Zoth is able to corrupt one of the mightiest warriors on Azeroth.
The above is the end of MoP(5.3). Everything following that is what i speculate might happen in a future expansion. And the reason i VoEB is because i don't believe the spring upon Hyjal is large enough to create such a portal. Therefore, the Vale is the last possible choice to our knowledge.(or to my knowledge correct me if im wrong).
Either way I really should've reviewed my facts(and spelling) before posting this. And i really appreciate you pointing out the fallacies in my statements. Im kinda knew to this whole forum thing so it'll take some getting used to format wise so sorry for it being so long also. Thanks in advance.
Post by
murphmanfa
The Klaxxi tell you that in the conversation.
...huh.
The lesson here, I suppose, is to not do lore-centered quests while you have a head cold, because I remember maybe a third of that conversation at most.
/derp
Post by
Adamsm
She's a very powerful mage, and is still on Sargeras's side.Um...huh? Queen Azshara is, after the destruction of Deathwing and Ragnaros, more then likely the second in command to N'Zoth at this point.
I also severely doubt Sargeras is connected to the Old Gods in any way shape or form; if he was, the Three wouldn't have tried so hard to steal the Portal during War of the Ancients to get out of their prisons.
Post by
Adamsm
Lots of tin foil hat articles, but no actual 'proof'.
As for Azshara: Since it's been more or less confirmed that N'Zoth was the one who saved her after the Sundering, having her leave the Old God who turned her into the most powerful magi on the planet would be very bad writing, especially as she has headed towards the global domination goal. And while it's true that when she was a Highborne she thought it was only right to be His Queen, since the Legion made such a cock up of it and ended up sinking her palace, doubt she wants to be his arm candy anymore.
Post by
Adamsm
From comments Azshara makes in Darkshore, the fact that the Naga don't have any ties to the actual Legion, the fact that the Naga actually joined with Illidan against the Legion forces(remember, Vashj was sent to him by Her).
So yeah, somehow, I really doubt she wants to be the consort of Sargeras anymore, especially after getting an Old God upgrade.
Post by
Adamsm
So you read those quotes, where she admits to working with Deathwing and Ragnaros, and you think she's going to go back to the Legion?
You mean except from being the beings who actually summoned them in the first place? Okay.Um...huh? The Naga were changed by the Old Gods, and summoned up by Illidan....not the Legion or the Scourge. If you are referring to the Highborne; remember the Legion are partially responsible for why the Naga are the way they are, since the grand invasion plan and the Portal exploding caused the Sundering in the first place. However, if you notice in game, that except for the Satyr's(which you know, were corrupted Night Elves) no other Legion force is ever seen anywhere near the Naga enclaves.
"However, a small group led by the naga Sea Witch, Lady Vashj, answered a summons from Illidan Stormrage to aid him in his quest to destroy the Frozen Throne.
Lady Vashj joined forces with Illidan and his forces in order to serve her own ends.
They made new allies in the form of their Highborne kin the blood elves, as well as enemies of the night elves and the Alliance. They aided Illidan in the recovery of the Eye of Sargeras"Yeah...and you know, then they went to Outland with Illidan, killed the Pit Lord, smashed the Fel Orcs, trapped Mag's, and started in on Queen Azshara's plan to take control of all of the water in Outland as a test run for what they were planning to do to Azeroth.
She believes he is more powerful than any one Old God by itself. And let's face it, it would probably take more than one Old God to kill him. But there aren't any that are actually free. So for now she has a better chance with Sargeras, if she finds a way to summon him again.Considering with the Old God upgrade, she's probably long since surpassed any of the mortal magi on Azeroth and may now be the equal of Kil'Jaeden, the second in command to the Legion. I really doubt she has any actual attraction to Sargeras anymore since she's gained nearly ultimate power at this point, and doesn't actually need to be the consort of Sargeras.
So yeah, if Sargeras came back to Azeroth, I could actually see the Naga fighting back...since you know, Queen Azshara wants the planet for herself now.
Post by
Adamsm
Well I'm sorry if the Lore supports the idea that Azshara would stand with the Old Gods against Sargeras.....
Edit: Look, I get it I do; but the fact is, War of the Ancients occurred 10 thousand years ago. Things can change, and while I have no doubt that Azshara is as vain and self-centered as ever, you don't spend that amount of time as an ally of the Old Ones and not be changed. I just really doubt she cares all that much about Sargeras, beyond the fact that the Legion is another group who wants to take over the thing she sees as rightfully hers: Azeroth.
Post by
Adamsm
Actually it does; we haven't seen any Legion forces anywhere near the Naga, and Vashj works with Illidan to conqueror Outland from their forces.
So really, it does seem like the Naga are firmly in the Old God camp, which means if Sargeras shows up again, Azshara would be on the Old Ones side against him.
Post by
Adamsm
Well yes Sargeras is the 'Devil' of the Warcraft universe...however, as seen in the Ordering of Azeroth legend, it took the entire Titan team to seal away the Four Old Gods, and the one Old God they killed also killed the leader of the Forger team. So if Sargeras was to end up fighting against an Old God or more then one, they'd probably kick his ass....there's also the fact that we heroes of Azeroth haven't actually killed any of the Old Gods; at best we lobotomize them, since as seen in the monthly World of Warcraft comic, C'thun was still 'alive' and regenerating.
However, if the next expansion is a Great Sea one, then we'll probably see Azshara at the side of N'Zoth as they make whatever plans they are going to make to conquer the planet.
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