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Butting Heads (which headpiece is better)
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Post by
Metabii
Need help with gearing. Bit of background: I am an arms warrior in possession of a normal-mode Nullification Greathelm
Nullification Greathelm
and an LFR Tier 14 helm
Helmet of Resounding Rings
. I've managed to get lucky and acquire the Tier 14 DPS gloves from Sha of Anger, and now I'm at a crossroads. Not accounting for gems (I can sort that out later), which would be better? The increased stats or the 2-piece set bonus?
Post by
Jurasco
Looking at it purely statistically with the stat weights I use:
Str: 2.25
Hit: 1.75 (to 7.5%)
Expertise: 1.5 (to 7.5%)
Crit: 1.25
Mastery: 1
Haste: .75
Hit and expertise are nearly useless beyond 7.5% as long as you are DPSing from behind.
breaks down each helm to the following stat weights for your spec:
Nullification Greathelm: (Str) 2038.5 + (Crit) 876.25 + (Haste) 400.5 = Total of 3315.25
Helmet of Resounding Rings: (Str) 1899 + (Hit) 1125.25 + (Mastery) 563 = Total of 3587.25
So the tier helm slightly outscores your Nullification Greathelm, Since both have the same gem slots that part is moot. The DPS bonus the Tier piece also brings with 2pc is also a bonus that makes it worth more than the Nullification Greathelm.
Keep in mind though you need to make the best use of your hit and expertise caps with your other pieces or you can wast a lot of stats.
Hope this helped a little.
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138583
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Post by
Jurasco
Not sure if you were trying to be snide or just asking a question so I will assume you were just asking a question. The reason hit edges out over expertise is because of a few factors.
1) Hit cap is standard across the board. If you know your targets level you know how much hit you need to be capped.
2) Expertise can can vary drastically on fights in both PVE and PVP. Blizz has stated they have thought about shifting the hit cap a little bit on some bosses but have not done it at this time. The chance for a boss to dodge (or parry if you have to be in front) can vary wildly due to abilities that increase their ability to dodge your attacks or parry your attacks. So instead of stacking your expertise to account for those abilities for any single encounter, those points are better spent in other stats that are more useful for your class. In PVP players cannot dodge from behind so you have to take that into account if you will have the ability to attack from behind.
3) Classes possess abilities that cannot be dodged or parried. They can miss, so it is more important to have your hit at cap than it is to bring your expertise and parry up for an ability that already cannot be dodged or parried.
4) Some classes have energy returns (80% for feral druid) on dodges and parries but not on misses.
Hope this helps.
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138583
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Post by
Jurasco
Though I wonder why you come off as combative, (mindless, really?) I will continue to answer.
I answered the question in a general sense, you asked why hit was more important than expertise, so I applied it to DPS specs in general since the OP is an Arms warrior. I gave reasons for the stat weights as applied to DPS in general.
When looking at tanking specs, Taunts cannot be dodged or parried. Secondary effects that use spell hit such as a rogues poison paladin abilites, and thunderclap, death coil work off of spell hit, and cannot be dodged or parried. Judgement for a paladin cannot be parried so the soft cap is all that is needed (technically, seeing how hard cap is more important than conserving stats.) Overpower cannot be dodged blocked or parried,
So for a tank, yes I would agree that the values should be reversed, but most tanks should be going to the caps anyway.
Another thing to keep in mind is that Expertise no longer double dips. You no longer reduce your chance to be dodged and parried as you go up in expertise, but now 0-7.5% reduces your chance to be dodged, and above 7.5% reduces your chance to be parried.
Hope this helps
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138583
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Post by
Jurasco
Alright last post. I can do conversations, and I have made it a point to not drop to being anything but polite to you, but you don't want to have an actual conversation, you seem to prefer an aggressive argument. But to keep from going off topic as you believe I am I will go to the root of the original issue. You originally assumed you got a 2 for 1 on expertise with dodge and parry. This is not the case any more. I will just list the link to the blue post:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/4544194
As well as referring to your own character pane, Hover over Expertise, it breaks it down in dodge chance and parry chance.
Have a nice day.
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