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Alliance vs. Horde (Legitmate discussion please)
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Post by
Rankkor
Silvermoon got hit by a small attack force with the objective of taking the sunwell then leaving.
Lordaeron got the entire army and lasted far longer than 3 battles.
s.......... small? dude, the full brunt of the scourge hit Silvermoon with all its might, and while in warcraft 3 it was 3 levels that depicted that battle, that doesn't mean lorewise it was just 3 battles (if that was the case, dalaran was oneshoted since the fight with them lasted a whopping 1 level) The scourge were in such a full force,
that they left a permanent and uncurable
scar on the ground that goes all the way from the plaguelands to the sunwell even today.
Elven Architecture won't even hold up on it's on, they rely on magic.
right, that's why kalimdor is peppered with ancient elven buildings that even 10000 years later are still standing. Meanwhile places like alterac and stromgarde have been abandoned for less than 30 years and they already look like crap.
Compare that to say, Dwarven or Human style Buildings which can stand up to ALOT of punishment before going down.
Dwarven yes absolutely, those guys are unequal when it comes to building to last, but humans? not so much. if you want more proof, look at moonbrook. Less than 10 years after being TAKEN BY THUGS (not even a formal army, or dragons, or legion, or scourge) and it also looks like crap.
Do
not
compare Silvermoon with Lordaeron.
its true that Lordaeron got hit harder than silvermoon (by virtue that the entire thing started there) but at the end, The elven buildings are still standing in better shape than the other kingdoms hit by the scourge in the third war.
Oh and
For millennia the mystical pool of energy fueled the potent magic of the exiled high elves. The Sunwell's inexhaustible power permeated the elves and infused them with a constant supply of arcane energy. For generations the high elves protected and cherished the well, benefiting from its powers even when outside the borders of their homeland.
It's more low-key than you make it out to be, and of course, it's range is far longer too.
Do remember that the quote you linked refered to the original sunwell. Which was already pretty strong. The new sunwell, apart from having part of the well of eternity, also has been energized by a Naaru. Beings who's powers truly defy comprehension.
As for the range, the main reason the article says they benefited from it even outside the borders of quel'thalas is due to the habit of taking a vial of its waters to get your fix when away from home.
Post by
Adamsm
Lordaeron got the entire army and lasted far longer than 3 battles.Lol; go read Death Knight manga; Arthas and his two commanders walked in and slaughtered the Royal family while the Scourge stood outside the gates waiting for him to open them....unlike at Silvermoon, where the Scourge army actually laid siege to the lands and steadily moved inwards, ripping apart the High Elf army; they walked through the city sure, but if the traitor hadn't of told them how to take down the Runestones, they never would have gotten over the border. If the current protections are working with the new Sunwell, no one can get in there now.
Edit: And that's carried over from the game as well; the actual Capitol City wasn't laid siege to at any point in the Third War. Arthas forces drove the Scourge back after Stratholme, and it was just in mop up till he returned as the Hand of the Lich King and slaughtered the inhabitants and razed the city; again as seen in Death Knight. So yes, you can compare Lordaeron to Silvermoon, and realize that Silvermoon was the harder city to take, even with the man on the inside.
Post by
Atik
s.......... small? dude, the full brunt of the scourge hit Silvermoon with all its might
^This.
And, keep in mind, the Elves were far harder than Lordarean, mostly by virtue of Sylvannas ripping your base a new one every few seconds.
Post by
Lordplatypus
I'm just gonna say this again.
Elven buildings rely on magic almost to the point of absurdity
On the other hand we have
Human architecture is less pleasing to the eye than elven architecture, utilizing straight angles and simple materials such as wood, stone and mortar. However, human structures are much more resistant to damage than elven or Horde structures. Human structures are not nearly as strong as dwarven structures or as advanced as gnomish architecture, but they are much easier to build, and human forts and towns can be built relatively quickly.
Blood elven stuff has levitating sections without any real support and by all means should break appart.
Lordaeron actually fought back the scourge very effectively, pushing them back further and further while the high elves just got slammed back in their place over and over.
Post by
Adamsm
Lordaeron actually fought back the scourge very effectively, pushing them back further and further while the high elves just got slammed back in their place over and over.
Yeah...but Capitol City? Never attacked in the Third War, so trying to compare some little village of Human buildings to the capitol of the High Elf empire doesn't work out too well.
And if you were being attacked by a force that had 90% of the population of Lordaeron in it as zombies, you would get slammed too. But if the barrier hadn't been brought down from within, the Elves would have survived fairly comfortably.
And if you've noticed lately, there are massive walls around Silvermoon as well; same type of walls that surround Stormwind and old Capitol City. Comparing a village to a city is just a stupid idea.
Post by
Lordplatypus
How is Stratholme a village?
The city of Stratholme was the northernmost and second most populous city of the kingdom of Lordaeron,
Post by
Adamsm
How is Stratholme a village?
The city of Stratholme was the northernmost and second most populous city of the kingdom of Lordaeron,
And if you look at Stratholme, the outer walls are still intact....since you know, the Scourge invaded from the inside out due to Mal'ganis little tricks. However, that still doesn't change the fact that Capitol City was never actually siege like Silvermoon was.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Silvermoon wasn't sieged, they had a man on the inside, just like in every other major city the scourge took over.
Post by
Adamsm
Silvermoon wasn't sieged, they had a man on the inside, just like in every other major city the scourge took over.
No, they had a traitor who told them how to break the protections, which involved shattering the Runestones. But if you ever actually go to Silvermoon, you are gonna see this big break between the two parts of the cities...cause that's where the Scourge walked to the Sunwell.
Post by
Lordplatypus
Sieges are long drawn-out surround them and choke their supplies things, they simply went and broke the walls, then took the stuff they wanted.
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