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Post by
oldnewb
Hi there
We really need to see a link to your character before we can give any meaningful help.
Also this would be much better off in the paladin forums
Post by
blitz665
since the patch came out, a lot of our attack/spells has changed in every way we can think of. Our Divine Storm can only be used when we have 3 stacks of holy power. Hammer of Righteous replaces DS as our AOE attack. no more consecration. Exorcism is instant with a charge of holy power, cant heal as well anymore, etc. Our attacks have also have had a increase and decrease dps in certain area's.
The problem your probably facing is a lack of a rotation. We have to change our attack priority now. Once you figure it out, it should be alright. Try figuring it out on a test dummy in one of the towns/cities or do non-heroics dungeons, LFR before you start raiding
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Post by
atomicwolf22
@Op
Post you attack order. So we can see if there is anything else.
Also are you keeping Inq. up at all times. Your be surprize want that does to help.
Post by
Berndorf
Other than stat weight changes from what I have seen exorcism is now our #1 way to generate hp, followed by cs then by judgement(which seem to be very close). Exorcism is now instant cast so use it whenever possible to generate hp. I have to say overall I am liking 5.0 for ret paly and have seen dps go up by about 10k without any equipment changes.
Post by
temporal24
I agree with the likelihood of a poor rotation being the main reason that DPS is low.
Because Sanctity of Battle, which was an optional talent in Cata, is a general passive spell in the new patch, cooldowns for holy power producing attacks are reduced. Since Judgement, Exorcism, and Hammer of Wrath now all generate Holy Power by default, we generate Holy Power more effectively than ever. Word of Glory doesn't have a cooldown and can be spammed every 1-3 HP if you like. Ret Pally should feel much faster than before: if not, you're doing something wrong! Faster power generation = more choices per second = more ways to change the outcome of the battle.
All that being said, you should be hitting CS/HotR, Judgement, and Exorcism every time they become available. CS has the shortest cooldown and should be hit first, unless you are out of melee range. Once you get 3HP, hit Inquisition. Build up 5 HP, hit Templar's Verdict/Divine Storm. You'll be at 3HP now, build up to 5HP again, rinse and repeat. If you want to burst 2 TV/DS, the 5HP lets you do that: TV, CS/Judge/Exo, TV--good for PvP or trash kill.
The only time you don't hit CS/J/Exo when available is if you are already at 5HP, which wouldn't give you another HP and you would lose a chance to TV/DS, the most powerful attack we have. Another consideration is what to do with Art of War procs that reset the Exo cooldown. Exo is stronger than CS which is stronger than Judgement, so when both Exo and CS are available you have a choice between high damage/long CD or lower damage/fast CD. Theorycrafters may have a more definitive answer. If both Judgement and CS are available, always go CS.
Using Holy Avenger or Sanctified Wrath will make this rotation much faster. With HA, be careful not to waste a holy power generator if you already have more than 2 HP. Your rotation would be: CS, TV, Judge, TV, Exo, TV, etc. With SW, you'll likely have more things coming off cooldown simultaneously, so you again have to prioritize based on damage and length of cooldown. I prefer Exo>CS>Hammer of Wrath>Judgement.
The main objectives should be getting Inquisition up ASAP, keeping it up, and using TV/HotR every chance you get. The priority of holy power generators is secondary. When played with this method, it is possible to get behind the latency of the server and lose a second here or there, especially when moving around in an RBG, etc. Press the key slightly earlier than it looks to stay on top of the lag. When things get hairy, focus on the basics of generating HP.
If there are 4 or more targets, use Righteousness for a Seal, Hammer of the Righteous for HP generation, and Divine Storm for HP consumption. Otherwise, use Seal of Truth, Crusader Strike, and Templar's Verdict. When running to a new target from far away, you should have 3HP once you are in melee range by using Exo/Judge while running then CS in melee range. Since Holy Avenger is instant and doesn't require HP, you can TV once you get to melee range: Exo, Inquisition, Judgement, TV. Stack Holy Avenger and Avenging Wrath for the highest burst damage.
I hope this helps, especially those who are new to playing Ret. The amount of detail was not meant to offend anyone who "knows" how to play. Hopefully this helps fill in the gaps for anyone. Let me know if I missed anything, got something wrong, etc. Happy playing!
Post by
atomicwolf22
HA is the better talent to take over AV. Speically with the Way that we get HP now your spaming TV for half of the cd which is killed.
Something else to note is that Our stat scale has changed.
Its Strenght> hit to 7.5> Exp to 7.5 > Haste> Mastery>Crit
Thats a big jump from where haste use to be during all of cata.
Post by
Arxroth
Well.
I my main is Retribution Paladin and certainly we are not at the low end of the dps chain unless we do something wrong. Basically the major change is that there no longer is "fix'd" rotation, rather priority to use abilties.
I have been pulling easily even better dps than on my rogue which was also better gearerd O_o ...
Anyhow, personally I think that now talents are pretty much equal and each give something here and other gives something there, and no talent is clearly above other one, rather question of what you would like to have ?
And I find it strange that if you want to use abbreviations while helping someone out, then link the list to some commonly approved list, because otherwise those can be very confusing.
Post by
temporal24
And I find it strange that if you want to use abbreviations while helping someone out, then link the list to some commonly approved list, because otherwise those can be very confusing.
I used the full name before the abbreviation for every name except for HotR = Hammer of the Righteous and CS = Crusader Strike, which was listed in a previous post, as well as things like ASAP, PvP, RBG, and CD (cooldown) which are pretty obvious. But if someone didn't figure it out:
TV = templar's verdict
DS = divine storm
HP = holy power
Exo = exorcism
Judge or J = judgement
HA = holy avenger
SW = sanctified wrath
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Post by
Berndorf
Don't mean to high jack this thread however it seemed a better place than creating a new one to get a clarification regarding questing.
My Pally use to be my 2nd tank until I got bored with it and I've never really played Ret that much other than when farming. My main is a BS/JC and my Pally is my miner now so I plan on leveling my Pally as Ret next in order to start supplying my Warrior with the ore that he needs.
My 3 tiered question is as follows.
For leveling/questing do you still want to try to get 3 HP for Inquisition before building up additional HP for TV/DS?...
...Or would 1-2HP Inquisition's be sufficient for most mobs?
...Or is it worth even bothering to use Inquisition for quest mobs?
I am lvling my ret paly right now and glyphed Inquisition for the double uptime and usually just do a 1hp inquusition for most mobs. Like, pull with judgement or exorcism, put up Inq then burn the mob. 20 sec is usually more than long enough.
Post by
Aibu
Wow. I have crap gear, but top the DPS on boss fights all the time.
Post by
Wolf1354
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=207426&p=3286602
there^
and Noxxic.com has need to know as well.
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629339
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Post by
Ultimatium
I don't know about level 90 but ret paladins have terrible damage at lower levels compared to other classes. I just don't want to level to 90 only to find out that the damage is still bad around max level.
Post by
cersoze
For everybody here that is whinning about Ret DPS:
Rets are fine now, damage is nice, you guys just have to follow an optimized priority and you'll see the numbers rolling. Read guides (EJ, Icy Veins and here) to learn about your class and practice: do dungeons, LFR, even DPSing at dummies to memorize the priority is fine. You can't say a class is fine or not while leveling, so get to 90 first, nail your priorities and THEN you can make a judgement about your class.
Post by
Bloodkittie
For everybody here that is whinning about Ret DPS:
Rets are fine now, damage is nice, you guys just have to follow an optimized priority and you'll see the numbers rolling. Read guides (EJ, Icy Veins and here) to learn about your class and practice: do dungeons, LFR, even DPSing at dummies to memorize the priority is fine. You can't say a class is fine or not while leveling, so get to 90 first, nail your priorities and THEN you can make a judgement about your class.
Tbh Ret is
"just"
fine... it's output dmg is not the best compare to other classes and you have to really work for your dps or it will slip down very fast, if we compare it to other melee classes that we have now,
For example unholy DK - they can easy top the dps charts, they don't really have a harsh rotation and even if they screw their rotation the loss of the dps won't be notice.
I can tell you i never saw in raids (LFR mostly) any Ret Paladin topping the first 4 places in dps charts.
As it seems for now that RETs will "star" at 5~8 places in the dps charts.
Post by
Berndorf
For everybody here that is whinning about Ret DPS:
Rets are fine now, damage is nice, you guys just have to follow an optimized priority and you'll see the numbers rolling. Read guides (EJ, Icy Veins and here) to learn about your class and practice: do dungeons, LFR, even DPSing at dummies to memorize the priority is fine. You can't say a class is fine or not while leveling, so get to 90 first, nail your priorities and THEN you can make a judgement about your class.
Tbh Ret is
"just"
fine... it's output dmg is not the best compare to other classes and you have to really work for your dps or it will slip down very fast, if we compare it to other melee classes that we have now,
For example unholy DK - they can easy top the dps charts, they don't really have a harsh rotation and even if they screw their rotation the loss of the dps won't be notice.
I can tell you i never saw in raids (LFR mostly) any Ret Paladin topping the first 4 places in dps charts.
As it seems for now that RETs will "star" at 5~8 places in the dps charts.
Have to agree with the above. Ret paly was my first toon to 90 and currently have 466 ilvl as ret and played her through the last exp as my main(ie I do know the class and how to itemize correctly since 5.0 and all that) and was tearing **** up really well after 5.0 hit and still can to a large degree but my main beef with ret right now is just the lack of oomph in our special attacks. For instance, my tv non crits generally hit for around 40k(with an ilvl 463 wpn) and most of my other attacks generally hit for under 30k. In short, our attacks just don't hit very hard. On the other hand, most of my lvl 88 arms warriors specials seem to hit for 30-50k and his executes can top out at over 400k which is way off the charts for anything my ret paly can do despite being way better geared than that warrior is currently. So ya, have to agree that ret is ok atm but nothing special for sure. imo tv needs a boost as does hammer of wrath. I mean overall we can still do ok in raid fights and such but in stay put sort of fights I think most melee will outdo us if played correctly.
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