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How do I fix transmog set data?
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Post by
BlackMonarch
This site's information on transmog sets is woefully lacking. For example, it doesn't recognize Kadrak's Breastplate and First Responder's Pauldrons (among many other items) as belonging to set 1335, nor the Pocket-Nuke Belt as belonging to set 1336. It also doesn't recognize ANY of the early-game sets, like the one that includes Tunic of Celebration, Swoopskin Gloves, and Agamand Family Riding Boots... and for reasons that I can't even begin to fathom, four headpieces are ERRONEOUSLY included in set 213! I've been mapping these sets out manually for months now (seriously, I've been writing it all down in a Notepad file), and would like to know the best way to contribute my findings.
Post by
hatman555
I'm sorry you think that they are "woefully lacking". In my opinion I think that the 1200+ sets that are listed are a very good place to start when you are looking at different sets of matching gear. There are 10's of 1000's of different armor pieces in the game, and these transmog sets were put together by hand. Lots of items have same models and different coloring, some items even look quite similar in style and match well. I could see how you think that some items are missing, or some items might go well with the sets. But again, the sets are not something that are "correct". They are human efforts to match similar item pieces together in ascetically matching and pleasing ways.
If you would like to contribute you ideas, I suggest you do the following.
Post comments on the sets with "item links"
To link an item so that people can click on it and better navigate the site, use the items ID code in brackets.
Kadrak's Breastplate is item code 56645
\
Kadrak's Breastplate
will give you
Kadrak's Breastplate
when you press submit on your post
Posting a comment in a positive way gets more votes than a comment posted in a negative way.
Post your ideas for sets here in this thread.
Use the
Item Comparison
tool to make full sets.
Example; I want to make a set out of the following items:
Windbound Chest
Windbound Helm
Windbound Shoulders
Windbound Leggings
Windbound Belt
Windbound Boots
Windbound Bracers
Windbound Gloves
I can take all those items and add them to a comparison in
the same group
Then I can link the
3D model
of it for anyone to see
Following step #2 and then saving your links in this post will probably be way more efficient than tracking them all in notepad.
If the sets are good, or changes need to be made, the Editors of the site will add them in.
I'm glad you enjoy transmog so much, I hope the features I linked above will let you enjoy it on Wowhead even more.
Cheers,
Hat(##RESPBREAK##)136##DELIM##hatman555##DELIM##
Post by
Ashelia
This site's information on transmog sets is woefully lacking.... for reasons that I can't even begin to fathom...
This would be because two people did it by themselves in about a month or less for the community. So it's pretty easy to fathom there would be a few pieces out of tens of thousands of items left out--humans make mistakes, especially on such a huge project with so few people. It was an immense project and I'm guessing from your tone you didn't realize that. You can always email your findings to and we'll add them in. :)(##RESPBREAK##)2##DELIM##Ashelia##DELIM##
Post by
perculia
The best way to leave suggestions is by emailing feedback or leaving comments on the actual pages. This past spring, several hundred sets were added, renamed, and edited based on user submissions--this is where the Felstone Mail recolor got the four headpieces from, actually.
In addition, common-quality items such as the Swoopskin Gloves are not eligible for transmog, so they were left out on purpose.
Post by
BlackMonarch
these transmog sets were put together by hand.
two people did it by themselves in about a month or less
Well now I feel like a jackass :(
Anyway, thanks for the instructions. I'll get to work on assembling the needed information, putting it into a useable form, and spamming it in every relevant comment section.
In the meantime, I just discovered a few minutes ago that Old Leather Belt is erroneously stated as being the same model as Girdle of Honor, Braided Boarskin Belt, Zuni's Family Heirloom, etc., but Vile Fin Belt is conspicuously absent from this list. That should be a pretty easy fix.
In addition, common-quality items such as the Swoopskin Gloves are not eligible for transmog, so they were left out on purpose.
In that case, you guys should think about calling them something other than transmog sets... then, non-transmogrifiable items could be grouped with their appropriate sets.
Post by
hatman555
these transmog sets were put together by hand.
two people did it by themselves in about a month or less
Well now I feel like a jackass :(
No worries. It's just good to know that those two people above worked really hard, and there are some lovely sets put together now for people to enjoy.
Anyway, thanks for the instructions. I'll get to work on assembling the needed information, putting it into a useable form, and spamming it in every relevant comment section.
Practice using the awesome formatting that this site has. Use item links, bullet-ed lists, and much more when making your comments. Comments that are well formatted will get more votes and shoot to the top. If you need any help using our BBCode for formatting, I would take a quick look
at this post
. It shows you everything you can do, and more.
In that case, you guys should think about calling them something other than transmog sets... then, non-transmogrifiable items could be grouped with their appropriate sets. Leaving non-transmog items excluded helps manage expectations from users. In the comments of the sets, people list other options, including non-transmog items, but listing everything and then not being able to use it would be a lot of counter productive work.
I'm really looking forward to what sets you have come up with. Start using item links and formatting, and get in contact with the ladies above using
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
Nulgar
Here's some <3 for the two blue ladies :)
Post by
BlackMonarch
Practice using the awesome formatting that this site has. Use item links, bullet-ed lists, and much more when making your comments. Comments that are well formatted will get more votes and shoot to the top. If you need any help using our BBCode for formatting, I would take a quick look
at this post
. It shows you everything you can do, and more.
I really don't feel like looking up the item codes for every single item that I've jotted down, especially considering how infrequently I can access this site and how slowly it loads when I can. Expect slow progress on the formatting issue :\
Leaving non-transmog items excluded helps manage expectations from users. In the comments of the sets, people list other options, including non-transmog items, but listing everything and then not being able to use it would be a lot of counter productive work.
But you TOTALLY CAN use the items. You just can't
transmogrify
them. I've also heard a lot of chatter on the B.net forums about expanding the variety of items that are eligible for transmogrification, so if that day ever comes, it would be good to have the information already present.
Post by
hatman555
I really don't feel like looking up the item codes for every single item that I've jotted down, especially considering how infrequently I can access this site and how slowly it loads when I can. Expect slow progress on the formatting issue :\
I'm always around to help. I'v gotton pretty good and speedy at formatting on these boards after 3 years of use. Want to send me that notepad file you have, I could pretty quickly translate it back to you with Item Codes.
But you TOTALLY CAN use the items. You just can't
transmogrify
them. I've also heard a lot of chatter on the B.net forums about expanding the variety of items that are eligible for transmogrification, so if that day ever comes, it would be good to have the information already present.
Yeah, and that's the main difference right now. People like transmog because it lets you look like old gear with out wearing it. People have always been able to wear their old stuff, now they even have a place to store it too. Until the day comes when more items are added they shouldn't be added to our Transmog system cause it can't be transmogged. When Blizzard does make those changes, we might be able to datamine the change list and then go through it and add it quickly to the sets we already have.
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
BlackMonarch
According to the user "Niaw", who seems to have done a hell of a lot more research into this than I have, the sets that you've listed as Felstone Mail recolors actually DO call for head and shoulder pieces. I was just thrown off by the fact that said pieces do not look at all like they belong to their respective sets and are not available at the same level ranges as the other items in the sets.
Want to send me that notepad file you have, I could pretty quickly translate it back to you with Item Codes.
I might do that when I figure out how to send files...
People like transmog because it lets you look like old gear with out wearing it. People have always been able to wear their old stuff
Yeah... but some players might be so concerned with completing an appearance that they'd be willing to wear the extremely underpowered gear itself, especially if they're just posing for Armory images or slogging around in low-level areas for quest rewards to complete whatever art set they're posing with in the Armory. I do quite a lot of both of those.
Until the day comes when more items are added they shouldn't be added to our Transmog system cause it can't be transmogged.
Or you could, you know, drop the whole "transmog" thing and just call them color-coded art sets. It's not like people can't figure out for themselves which ones are suitable for transmog and which ones aren't.
Post by
hatman555
Want to send me that notepad file you have, I could pretty quickly translate it back to you with Item Codes.
I might do that when I figure out how to send files...
hatman555@gmail.com
Yeah... but some players might be so concerned with completing an appearance that they'd be willing to wear the extremely underpowered gear itself, especially if they're just posing for Armory images or slogging around in low-level areas for quest rewards to complete whatever art set they're posing with in the Armory. I do quite a lot of both of those...
...and I always do it wearing the Faded Sorting Hat and wielding the Shovel of Awesome. Because I can.
Or you could, you know, drop the whole "transmog" thing and just call them color-coded art sets. It's not like people can't figure out for themselves which ones are suitable for transmog and which ones aren't.
I think it comes down more to popularity of the name "transmog" and the amount of users that brings. I honestly thing that later on when the devs have more time, there will be a system made where people can submit their own transmog and look a like armor sets, and then through a voting process or aproval process they will be added to a place were everyone can view them.
Cheers,
Hat(##RESPBREAK##)136##DELIM##hatman555##DELIM##
Post by
BlackMonarch
I think that what brings the most users is the sheer volume of data that you've amassed and the ease with which it can be manipulated. How much of your total traffic is dedicated to people who are just looking to transmogrify stuff?
Let me put my dilemma another way. If I have Lethality Leggings, Kingslayer's Breastplate, Boots of the Hero, and a shiny new Tell-Tale Bracers, and the next quest rewards that I acquire will be some ugly-ass olive green color (Pocket-Nuke Belt + Grasps of the Unyielding), then I might want to find some gloves, a belt, and maybe shoulder pads that fit the "scaled blue" (as I call it) color scheme before I move on, and I might not give a crap about whether they'll be useful for transmogrification in the future so long as I look fabulous
right now
. The "transmog-only" rule is kind of screwing me over in this situation. On the other hand, if I'm a level 70 and I want to look like I'm wearing the full Veteran set, and you include everything from this color/art set regardless of transmogrifiability, then that doesn't put me out too much because I can just ignore the items with their names in white.
Basically, you're sacrificing utility for the sake of keeping things consistent with a name that you like better, thereby ruining things for those of us who are sacrificing utility for the sake of looking fabulous :\
As for user-submitted sets with up/downvoting... that's probably even worse than the current setup. Do you have any idea how many n00bs would look at Rear Guard Britches and think that they go with a green chestpiece and purple boots? Sure, it would actually look a bit better than the intended "green everywhere except for this bit of purple that we threw in just to troll you guys" setup, but... damn, now I want to take an armory photo with Rear Guard Britches, a green chestpiece, and purple boots :\
Post by
hatman555
I think that what brings the most users is the sheer volume of data that you've amassed and the ease with which it can be manipulated. How much of your total traffic is dedicated to people who are just looking to transmogrify stuff? Yup, it is the sheer amount of information that brings people. And transmog was really big, and a huge hit with lots of members in the community. I couldn't tell you off hand how many people visit transmog for transmog only because I don't think that number can accurately be measured. What I do know is that when transmog is released to WoW the population of people looking for cool stuff to wear SPECIFICALLY to change their current gear into when sky high. So we needed to capture that market, and tailor the site to that type of gear.
I believe that that population of people is very small. Time leveling, and time spend in a certain area has been drastically cut down, so the opportunity that people have to collect gear in one area has dropped as well.
thereby ruining things for those of us who are sacrificing utility for the sake of looking fabulous :\
Do you have any idea how many n00bs would look at Rear Guard Britches and think that they go with a green chestpiece and purple boots? Sure, it would actually look a bit better than the intended "green everywhere except for this bit of purple that we threw in just to troll you guys"
Those two statments kinda contradict eachother no? On one hand you are saying that we are limiting the ability for people to look fabulous, and on the other hand you are saying that the ideas people submit would be bad.
If a "submit your own" section of transmog were to be added, it would probably be very seperated from the "approved" sets and have more of a "hey i'm part of a community of Ideas" feel to it. You would not have matching sets mixed in with the creative sets.
I do enjoy this line of converstation with you, and hope that my tone of helpfulness, and good spirited typing is coming through. I think its very hard to express tone when debating like this, and I just want to make sure you are on the same page with me. I'm smiling and totally non-combative. Just enjoying the brain storming session with you. After all, that's what Wowhead Feedback is about.
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
BlackMonarch
Okay, I finally got around to sending you that e-mail.
Low-level cloth items are the most irritating because the color schemes are very complex (three main colors, with the trim being a fourth? seriously?) and many armor pieces only reflect one or two colors from whatever scheme they represent. Thus, Flax Gloves, Burning Blade Coven Gloves, Merciless Hands, and Cauldron Gloves all look the same despite belonging to different color schemes, and I have to guess at what color schemes they belong to based on their item levels, the colors of the icons, and what zones they're from (i.e., level 4-5 cloth items from the "tan and purple" color scheme will have blue auras around their icons in Tirisfal, but yellow ones around their icons in Durotar). Unfortunately, because these items are not transmog fodder, Niaw hasn't commented on them, and thus I'm flying as blindly as I was when I started.
Time leveling, and time spend in a certain area has been drastically cut down, so the opportunity that people have to collect gear in one area has dropped as well.
That really has nothing to do with what I said :\
Those two statments kinda contradict eachother no?
No.
On one hand you are saying that we are limiting the ability for people to look fabulous, and on the other hand you are saying that the ideas people submit would be bad.
I don't see how those two contradict each other.
If a "submit your own" section of transmog were to be added, it would probably be very seperated from the "approved" sets and have more of a "hey i'm part of a community of Ideas" feel to it. You would not have matching sets mixed in with the creative sets.
Oh, okay. That actually makes MUCH more sense. If you do this, you should have one function for the official, de facto art sets as identified in the game's data files like "A2 mail, green", and another for submitting and voting on "transmog" sets like "felstone mail (recolor)".
That would make pretty much everyone happy.
I think its very hard to express tone when debating like this, and I just want to make sure you are on the same page with me. I'm smiling and totally non-combative. Just enjoying the brain storming session with you.
Likewise. If I've come off as hostile, then I apologize. It's just that I seem to be one of a grand total of two people on the site who think that Wowhead's art set entries should match what Blizzard and the game data have objectively declared to be official art sets, rather than being being determined by subjective personal opinions about what "looks good" and the importance of transmogrification; when I try to argue that objectivity is better than subjectivity, I get very impersonal and easily annoyed.
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503257
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
asakawa
There's not BBcode link for Sets (yet?) and feedback on sets is best sent to .
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