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Post by
asakawa
You're basically saying the same thing you said almost exactly a year ago.
In that time we've done a lot but for me the most notable things are introducing user-created Guides and ramping up the amazing content that Ashelia and Perculia put together (with help from a really talented team) - this is content that isn't being made any where else on the internet.
Fair enough if those aren't things you're fond of but do you have any suggestions for features you'd like to see developed?
Post by
FatalHeaven
Seems you guys are opening a new "whatever-head" for every new game on the block.
Keep in mind "Wowhead" is one branch of many that are part of the ZAM network. It never will be just about Wowhead. As more games are developed it only makes sense more site databases will be created. And as ZAM is a network it also makes sense they would want to be as diverse as possible. I would also think, though I will admit I am not positive, that there are separate folks working on these different sites. I don't think Wowhead or any site is being "forgotten" just because ZAM adds another site to their network. And if they feel more employees and/or volunteers are needed for Wowhead or any other site in the network, a posting will be made for such.
Post by
hatman555
Seems you guys are opening a new "whatever-head" for every new game on the block.
As it's been said by others, it's not Wowhead that opens a new site for every new game on the block. It's ZAM the company that owns Wowhead. Most of the sites are run by different teams of people, and only have some over lap when it comes to the upper management of things. At those higher levels its people that you have never seen posting or working directly with users here on Wowhead.
While others in the community have introduced innovative tools like Mr Robot and The Undermine Journal, you guys seem to be concentrating most of your efforts on trying to mimic MMO-Champion's news feed. Wowhead used to be all about innovation - what happened?
Wowhead is constantly changing to make it self better. Lots of these changes take place in the community.
User submitted guides.
Marking comments as out of date
The site has gotten more features as well.
MoP talents and talent calculator. Was the first site to have it functional for Monks
Transmogrification sets. Over 1200 sets of matching gear.
Even old sections of the site that have been around for a while are getting tweaks and changes.
The new Model Viewer. Flash 11, with animations, and better viewing controls.
Don't get me wrong, I still love Wowhead, but there are fewer and fewer reasons to swing by here these days.
Even if you don't use any of these features, Wowhead has the most comprehensive and extensive Item/quest/spell/drop/and everything else WoW related database. It doesn't get any better than that.
Cheers,
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Post by
asakawa
Oh wow yeah, how could I not mention transmog-sets and the new ModelViewer!
And you're right Hat, that the MoP coverage is easy to dismiss as just the normal running of the site but I think the quality and speed of that coverage really stands out.
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235435
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Post by
asakawa
I don't think the comments about MMO-C have much merit. News is news; presenting it wasn't an innovation for MMO-C so also presenting it here is hardly copying/cloning, just trying to add value for the users of our site.
But, fair enough, you don't like WowheadNews, that's cool. There's some aspects of it that we'll be looking at very soon so I would ask that you give it another chance when the changes go through and maybe we can win you over.
So, "innovation" is an easy thing to demand but necessity is the mother of invention and it's all very well coming up with a wacky new idea that's never been done before but if it's not something people need it'll never get used.
So, what do you feel you need right now that isn't being catered for? Do you have any ideas beyond reiterating your MMO-C criticism of last year?
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235435
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Post by
asakawa
I'm not saying it was a cheap shot, just that I don't think it's necessarily a valid criticism and someone else doing something isn't necessarily a reason not to do it yourself though it would be something you'd have to take into account. Burger King still exists even though there's a McDonalds and so on.
Thanks for the suggestions.
The first one depends a lot on realm-specific AH data so before Wowhead could seriously look at ways to use that data they would have to develop the actual gathering of the information but perhaps that would be a direction the site could move into next.
The second isn't necessarily dynamic so isn't that being done in-game by addons? The in-game solutions are really strong so I think the only way a Wowhead tool could compete would be to also create a greater presence in-game too with more addons. That feels like branching out too far to me but perhaps the admins would like to go in that direction.
You'll notice that there's already people doing both those things to some degree so, as I say, that isn't necessarily a reason not to do them but it means that you've got to take that into consideration before deciding to spend man-hours on developing a Wowhead spin on the idea.
Post by
Ashelia
I think you're assuming a lot...
News was always a huge part of Wowhead and it's something content does essentially on their free time. It involves no developer time, since devs always datamine to keep Wowhead up to date. We're definitely not trying to copy MMO-C because we don't post private server videos and I don't think MMO-C ever posts detailed guides like we do; two different types of posts. That's something exclusive to Wowhead and it has been for years.
Secondly, I'm gonna assume D3DB is what sparked this. Not a single person from Wowhead works on D3DB. We bought them--we give them a server to live on and talk to them about things, including datamining, but it doesn't mean our team jumped ship. On Tera Tome/Torhead, Fewyn left (but he was replaced by Perculia mostly) and Poetic Dragon left (but was replaced by Aryu). There's simply not a mass exodus or us opening other sites at the expense of Wowhead at all :(
As for innovation, I'm pretty sure you guys will love the MoP tools we're implementing. But there have been tons of new features. I mean, we were the first site to have a MoP calculator, beating even Blizzard. Transmog sets were a huge undertaking. Guides count.
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235435
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Ashelia
Wowhead always had news? Are you sure? Didn't the blog come during Wrath? If memory serves, when the blog first started it was much more along the lines of WoW Insider than MMO-C, it had interviews, guides, opinion and other unique content. We still have the guides but the vast majority of posts are cross-site promotions and virtual carbon copies of MMO-C posts.
Its news came in WotLK, yes, but it has always been the news it currently has. We have always done patch updates and we have always done guides. The majority of posts ARE guides, you are seeing a lot of patch update posts which Wowhead has always done because it's a beta which means there is a patch every week--same with blue posts, they speak up a lot when there's a huge beta going on, hence more news coverage than usual :)
If anything, I would say in the past year Wowhead's news coverage has gotten much more useful and current--not because of a change of focus, but just because we have people on staff who work different hours. We're not only first to a lot of posts, but we also explain things a lot with our guides or breakdowns :)
I'm just not seeing how you can argue that Wowhead is copying anyone when time and time again we have useful, unique posts like
this one
or
this one
.
It's frustrating because you seem to have made your mind up, but not based on anything tangible I can see :((##RESPBREAK##)2##DELIM##Ashelia##DELIM##
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