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Post by
Rankkor
Ok, while we wait, lets discuss a little about Mass Effect, I am curious as to what desicions have some of you made, and why.
Did you saved the council? did you handed the collector's base to the illusive man? did u saved the rachni queen? did you kept the genophage cure data from mordin's mission? did you accepted to be reinstated on the specters? what squadmember you saved on Virmire? what romance did you think was best written and/or is your favorite?
How about class, what's your favorite class? or weapon? Upload a screenie of your shepard in his/her armor. (I'll be uploading mine soon)
I'll start.
I let the council die
. At the time I wasn't sure if there was going to be a sequel, and my first priority was to take out Sovereign which presented a much bigger threat. It was a futile move to waste reinforcements on saving a bunch of leaders who are blinder than a bat.
It was thanks to the council that the Normandy was grounded, and I had to actually hijack my own ship to save the galaxy. If it was for their shortsightedness, we would all be reaper chow right now. So I felt I had no obligation to save them, much less waste valuable resources doing so. If they had shown to be capable leaders, that would had been something else. But as seen from the sequel, they are as stupid and as blind as ever, so while I wont be shooting them in the back, if they are in any inminent danger, I'll just look the other way........ the same way they looked the other way when I warned them about the reapers.
I blew up the collector's base sky high.
The Illusive man raised a valid point that we needed better tech to be able to stand a chance against the reapers. A point proven by the turians and their Thanix cannon, which was reverse engineered from the remains of Sovereign, HOWEVER, the collector's base was nothing more than a reaper-factory that served no other purpose than liquifying races into a blender and grow reaper larvas from that. In the wrong hands that can do A LOT OF DAMAGE, and the Illusive man has proven that his hands are among the worst to hand over this stuff.
My hunch was proven correct given that on ME3, Cerberus now works for the reapers, and as seen from the comic "Mass Effect: Invasion" the illusive man used the remains of the collector's base to build a husk army anyways. That man is a madman, and as such it would had been a terribly irresponsible thing to do, to give him one of the most powerful weapons the galaxy has ever known.
Plus I don't really see the logic of fixing a problem by making a bigger one.
Virmire survivor: I saved ashley.
And no, it wasn't due to me romancing her (I romanced Liara) it was simply a desicion made due to the mission. If it was any way at all to save both I would had gone for it, sadly there wasn't and while Kaidan was with Captain Kirahee on the distraction team, Ash was with the bomb, I had to make sure the geth wouldn't get to it and disable it, so sadly I had to abandon kaidan to his death.
I spared the rachni queen.
I've never believed in making someone pay for someone else's crimes. It would be as absurd as expecting CURRENT germans to pay for the crimes made by the nazis, or make current mongolians pay for the massacres made by Gengis Khan.
The rachni wars were thousands of years ago, and ALL the rachni were eliminated, the queen was a larva that did absolutely nothing in that war, and as such is innocent of all the carnage her ancestors did. Furthermore, its revealed in ME2 that the original Rachni queens had been indoctrinated by the reapers and that is what had made them more aggressive. Thus I spared her.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
Pure Paragon, all the way. Through the first and second game there was only one or two times that the paragon response wasn't my gut instinct anyway.
The one that I got really hung up on is the decision about the geth in ME2, during Legion's loyalty mission. I really could not, personally, decide which was the more noble option. On the one hand, you're saving all of their lives if you go paragon, but on the other...how do you value the "life" of a sentient computer program? If you edit its programming, haven't you essentially killed it the same as if you deleted it, and replaced it with an alternate sentient program? Except they now live in this altered state, which some might argue would be worse than just being eliminated. I just felt that either option was, well, kind of a low blow. It would be like having to choose between killing all Krogan or releasing the genophage, with no third option. Either option feels pretty renegade. At the end, I went with the paragon choice for the geth, even though it didn't feel very paragon.
Rachni Queen, original council, etc. are alive and well. Collector base went boom. Basically every paragon action that could save someone's life was taken.
I saved Kaiden on my single ME1 playthrough, though i had a strong urge to kick him in the head on horizon.
I have two finished saves for ME 2, both "No Man Left Behind" saves with all content completed. The only difference is Thane or Garrus (I know, I'm such a girl). I will probably play a third where she doesn't pick anyone in ME2.
Plan on continuing on to ME3 full paragon.
Post by
deathbyte
Well I don't really have any money atm (or ever it seems) but after watching Fony's mutliplayer video, I think I am going to try and get ME3. I played ME on the 360 when it came out, but never got ME2. I am more of a mutliplayer type gamer and I think that that aspect of the game is what will keep me in the game even after I finish the story mode. (which I liked in the first game)
Post by
Rankkor
Pure Paragon, all the way. Through the first and second game there was only one or two times that the paragon response wasn't my gut instinct anyway.
meh, I don't like how paragon shep behaves on the first game. S/he acts like a total stiff. Like s/he has a stick up his/her ass. Paragon shepard is a lot cooler on the sequel, but on the first game....... yeah no thanks.
I played renegade >=) I'm not a stiff, nor do I cling to protocol like a drone, I show respect where respect is due, but those who aren't worthy of any respect, yet demand to be given any will receive a promt verbal smacking on my behalf.
I'm a rebel at heart, I only respect those figures of authority that have EARNED said respect. When it comes to politicias, I have an ABSOLUTE BURNING SCORCHING PURE HATRED for corrupt politicians. Those who put THEIR INTEREST ahead of the people they are suposed to represent. As far as I'm concerned, those guys aren't even worth to look in the eye, much less show due respect, and that's why I treated the council, and Udina like the garbage they are.
I wasn't about to waste valuable resources trying to save a bunch of leaders who placed us in this situation in the first place. The council was the one who in a pure blind stroke of idiocy grounded my ship and forced me to do a mutiny in the first place. All the tens of thousands of lives who were lost on the citadel were THEIR FAULT. Yeah, screw them I aint gonna save them just so they can sip martninis and then yell to the 4 winds that I'm a nut-job and that the reapers don't exist.
They can "dismiss" my words in the afterlife if they want. Its the same reason why on ME2 I didn't rescued Joram Talid, I shot him in the head. He is a corrupt politician who is using his position to squeeze money out of innocent people out of pure bigotry. And I'm supossed to save him? screw that. I've already had to stand around and watch helplessly how corrupted politicians who only wanna inflate their own pockets drove my beloved nation to ruin, like hell I'm gonna let them do the same in a videogame. This is why I also supported the stormcloaks on skyrim. Same principle.
Wherever there are corrupt leaders in a videogame, you can expect me to shove my boot up their B-hind.
Other than that, I played the game as a mix of paragon and renegade. Overall, when it comes to conversation choices, I always pick any option that is snarky, sarcastic, or otherwise badass from the renegade repertoire, except those that display bigotry, or moral corruption for my character. When it comes to mission objectives, I also aim to save as many lives as possible as long as they are INNOCENT lives. Don't expect me to save a crooked cop, corrupt politician, or cop-turned-smuggler any day of the week, they can burn in hell as far as I care.
This is why I liked Dragon Age 2. Cuz on ME, in order to be "Good" you also must have the "boring" personality. The shepard that acts like a complete stiff. And in order to have the "badass" renegade personality, you must often do morally-questionable choices. On Dragon Age 2, nothing prevents you from using the jerk personality, and yet take all the nice solutions to quests. Or the polite personality and use all the mean solutions.
Me, on that game i took the sarcastic personality (LOVED IT) and used the nice solutions. Hopefully the same can happen on ME3.
The one that I got really hung up on is the decision about the geth in ME2, during Legion's loyalty mission. I really could not, personally, decide which was the more noble option. On the one hand, you're saving all of their lives if you go paragon, but on the other...how do you value the "life" of a sentient computer program? If you edit its programming, haven't you essentially killed it the same as if you deleted it, and replaced it with an alternate sentient program? Except they now live in this altered state, which some might argue would be worse than just being eliminated. I just felt that either option was, well, kind of a low blow. It would be like having to choose between killing all Krogan or releasing the genophage, with no third option. Either option feels pretty renegade. At the end, I went with the paragon choice for the geth, even though it didn't feel very paragon.
This was an easy one for me. I reprogrammed them.
Think about it, if you look at them as machines rather than people, then they are infected machines, with a virus that compells them to obey the reapers. Why are they the ones infected and not the other geth? because these heretics compose barely 10% of the total geth population, and they separated themselves from the others due to a logical error in their calculations that ultimately made them see the reapers as their salvation.
If you look at them as people, then they are simply indoctrinated by the reapers to serve as their shock troopers. The reapers don't even care about the geth, they just use them as cannon fodder, and as such its undeniable that the geth are MUCH BETTER OFF without the reapers pulling their strings.
Either way you look at it, reprogaming them, is doing them a favor.
They wont "live in an altered state" they will be brought back to how they used to be before the reapers pulled their metaillic tentacles on their heads.
Plan on continuing on to ME3 full paragon.
Meh, I don't choose to stick to one specific path. One of the things I like about ME is that you don't really HAVE to stick to one side or the other, there's nothing preventing you from walking both simultaneously. I simply choose the options that fit with my own morality, and my own personality.
Out of curiosity, did you took any renegade interrupts on ME2?
Well I don't really have any money atm (or ever it seems) but after watching Fony's mutliplayer video, I think I am going to try and get ME3. I played ME on the 360 when it came out,
but never got ME2.
I am more of a mutliplayer type gamer and I think that that aspect of the game is what will keep me in the game even after I finish the story mode. (which I liked in the first game)
OHH MAN! you missed out the BEST ONE of them all.
Seriously, ME2 is SO DAMN GOOD it makes the first one look like crap. I'm replaying the whole damn saga (to prepare a new shep for ME3) and am going through the first one right now....... damn does this game is boring compared to the sequel.
(done)
Post by
buzz3070
I saved the council, though at times playing ME2 i regreted my decision and wanted to fill there faces with hot plasma
I saved ashley, and yes it was because i was romancing her and kaiden wanted to sacrifice himself.
I managed to get tali exiled from the fleet
I saved the collectors base
and i did save the Rachni.
over all i tried to play more paragon then renegade because i feel less guilty afterwards, yes im that attached to the world that i feel guilty if i do something that causes emotional harm to someone.
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207044
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Post by
ElhonnaDS
@Rank
I don't think I ever used a renegade interrupt. I don't remember 1 all that well- it was a while ago- but when I imported to ME2 I had 190 paragon and 1 renegade point that carried over. I got a few renegade points in ME2, but for the life of me I don't know how- it was as though they assigned them randomly after a couple of missions even when I took all paragon responses. The only intentional things I did in ME2 for renegade points were to tell Kaiden I don't work for Cerberus, and to delay the Reaper IFF mission so I could finish the rest of the side and loyalty stuff first.
Post by
Rankkor
@Rank
I don't think I ever used a renegade interrupt.
WHA! OHH SISTER YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!
Several of the renegade interrupts are AWESOME, and for the vast majority aren't even morally wrong.
I mean, is it really that bad to shoot that krogan on mordin's loyalty mission by shooting at the gas pipes beneath him? or headbutt that other krogan on Grunt's loyalty mission? How about when that volus orders his 2 bodyguards to shoot you but you use the renegade interrupt to gun them down before they get a chance to shoot you? or on miranda's loyality mission, the way you dispatch the merc leader while making the rest of the mercs crap their pants down?
Don't deny the use of interrupts just "because I don't want a single renegade point" they're not cancer xD. several of them are quite awesome, and for the most part, even if you don't take them, you end up killing the person you were gonna use it on anyways. So what's the problem of looking like a badass when you do so?
Post by
ElhonnaDS
I know they're funny. I just like the shining hero path.
I really liked having a smart-ass option in DA2, though. My BF called it "Alistair Mode." I played the nice character once, and every toon after that was like 90% purple.
@Rank- don't bite the bait.
Post by
Rankkor
I know they're funny. I just like the shining hero path.
meh, Shiny heroes are overrated. (IMO of course)
I'm more of a jack bauer kind of crime-fighter :P or like Frank Castle, or Judge Dredd.......... ok maybe not Dredd, but definitely castle and bauer.
To me, the most badass moment in the entire mass effect saga (Asides from sucker-punching the shadowbroker) was headbutting a krogan ( who was twice the size of my fem!shep) and still MADE HIM BACK AWAY. Those moments are only there with the renegade interrupts.
I really liked having a smart-ass option in DA2, though. My BF called it "Alistair Mode." I played the nice character once, and every toon after that was like 90% purple.
A snarky hero, is the best kind of hero =D Wanna know what my favorite shepard line in ME2 is? (its a renegade line, when you ask mordin for help and he says he needs a favor first)
"Just once I'd like to ask someone for help and hear them say
Sure, lets go, right now, no strings attached.
"(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##
Post by
ElhonnaDS
"Just once I'd like to ask someone for help and hear them say
Sure, lets go, right now, no strings attached.
"
Joker has your back and doesn't ask for anything.
EDIT: If it makes you feel better, my first Shep through will go renegade on Kaiden at all opportunities.
Post by
Rankkor
"Just once I'd like to ask someone for help and hear them say
Sure, lets go, right now, no strings attached.
"
Joker has your back and doesn't ask for anything.
she was talking more about strangers. If you ask a friend a favor its only natural that they wont ask for something in return.
Plus on the first game, You were Joker's boss, he couldn't really say no to anything you asked of him. And by the time of the second game, while technically no longer his boss, you became friends over the course of the previous game.
But by rule of thumb, when you meet someone new and ask a favor, they ALWAYS ask something else in return. (parasinni, mordin, samara, jack, the list is really long)
Plus it was a lamshade hanging on how in most RPGs whenever you need something out of someone, you always have to do them a bunch of favors first. (Though when it comes to lampshading RPG tropes, NOBODY does it better than Conrad)
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138638
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Post by
Rankkor
I'm done.
ok dude, don't post spoiler videos till AFTER the game is released, and even if you do, PLEASE have the courtesy of saying that the vid contains spoilers ok?
Not cool to be ruining surprises for others like that.
SPOILER WARNING! Video linked by neffy contains the romance scene for the new Male/Male Romance partner for shepard.
WATCH AT YOUR OWN RISK, HEAVY SPOILERS.
Anyone else have a feeling that Mass Effect 3 will end up making an appearance on Fox?
one would think they'd learn their lesson after they looked like complete idiots the first time.
Time will tell I guess.
Post by
Thror
I know they're funny. I just like the shining hero path.
Meh. I do use a few Renegade options even when playing Paragon. The ones that lead to Shepard killing some enemies before the fight even starts. They are practical.
Hmm, I just got to thinking. Have there been any Paragon and Renegade options in Lair of the Shadow Broker? Except for that one chat with Liara where you can paragon-hug (
PARAGON-HUG
) her like seven times.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
There was the decision where that specter takes the waitress hostage.
Post by
Thror
There was the decision where that specter takes the waitress hostage.
Oh yeah. I so wished Shepard could do the thing Spike Spiegel did at the start of the Cowboy Bebop movie.
(If anyone didn't know,
here it is
. Around the 3rd minute.)
Post by
Rankkor
The renegade option was pretty extreme (Shoot the hostage in the shoulder, and wound Tela. The hostage would live, and I wouldn't have to trow away my ammo before what has got to be the hardest boss in the whole damn game.)
Its a shame that the charm/intimidate options require FULL MAX paragon or renegade.
I kinda like the paragon persuade a lot more than the renegade one.
Paragon one: You verbally smack down Tela, telling her that A: you killed the council because they were in your way, and killed the rachni queen because she looked at you funny, so for her sake her escape plan better relies on something better than one lousy hostage. Or B: You sacrificed hundreds of human lives to save the council, and unleashed the rachni on the galaxy on a pure whim, so for her sake her escape plan better relies on something better than one lousy hostage.
This sorta trows Tela offguard and she releases the hostage and the shooting begins.
Compare that to the renegade option:
Spit a lot of asari slurs to distract her, while Liara uses her biotics to smack her on the head with a table.
I don't really endorse or condone racism, or bigotry, so, I chose the third option (Wound hostage)
I really REALLY loved Lair of the Shadow Broker, not only because my shep and liara shared one hell of an awesome kiss, and what has to be the BEST romance scene (no sex displayed, but on this particular romance cutscene is THE ONLY TIME IN THE WHOLE DAMN SAGA, that shepard actually "takes off the mask" and can tell liara how s/he REALLY feels, not what "s/he tells to the crew to keep morale up" and then they go on to discuss the future, and promise each other that they wont be away from each other ever again) but also there's that AWESOME banter/bickering between liara and shepard.
They spent most of the module arguing like an old married couple, it was so cute xD. Reminds me of the harmless bickering me and Reina do all the time (<3 u Reina =D)
Among my favorite bickering is:
Liara: Hurry shepard, She's getting away.
Shep: (In a VERY sarcastic tone): I'm fine, thank you for asking. (after falling from a second floor into shattered glass and concrete)
then there's this gem: (happens during the crazy car chase on Illium, when shepard demonstrates that s/he drives like crazy)
Liara: TRUCK!
Shep: I know.
Liara: TRUCK!
Shep: I KNOW! !
Liara: AHHHHHHH
(after dodging the truck)
Shep: There we go. >=D
Liara: You......... you're ENJOYING THIS?
The winner place would be:
Liara: these mercs are attacking with a poor strategy, it would be more efficient if they came at us all at once.
Shep: Stop giving advice to the enemy Liara!
(Later, when the mercs DO come all at once with overwhelming force)
Liara: Looks like the next wave is gonna be a big one.
Shep (Again in that wonderful sarcastic tone that only jennifer Hale can do): You just HAD to give tactical advice to the enemy didn't ya?
Liara: (A bit flustered) Well...... at least there will be fewer inside right?
Shep: Keep dreaming T'soni.
Ohh boy :P I really enjoyed Lair of the Shadow Broker. Quite posibly the best DLC EVER.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
I agree- it was probably the best written set of quests in the whole game, and I'm not a Liara-mancer or anything. I loved the car chase, the boss fight was harder than the actual end-game fight, and the dialog was great. I found project overlord to be very well done, too. Honestly, I'm usually pretty happy with Bioware DLC. I liked all the DA2 DLC (content DLC- the clothes were meh) a lot. The Shale DLC in DA1 was pretty good, too (even if the others were a little bland).
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