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Achloryn
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#obxVc0McZZAf0IobuhfdMfot
and.................... the point of this post would be what again?
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StrangerWifCandy
Besides the 3 points in Imp. CoC, it's alright.
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StrangerWifCandy
Mages are fine, L2P
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StrangerWifCandy
Because 2v2 is a joke and mages have always performed badly in it until WotLK with the changes to Arcane (and then subsequently nerfed).
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Achloryn
whats your source for the numbers on mages in the top 100 pvp 2v2 teams?
and as far as mages using the "same old spells".. what about deep freeze? fingers of frost? brain freeze? arcane barrage? missile barrage? living bomb? frostfire bolt? that sounds to me like a lot of new abilities we didnt even have a year ago, let alone 5 years ago like you suggest.
i'll agree, that pvp isn't balanced and mages have to be played a lot better than most classes to do exceptionally well than other classes... however, using the arguement that mages have no new tricks they didn't have since launch of vanilla wow, then you need to look back at what the spellbook used to look like
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StrangerWifCandy
And you're perfectly fine with mages being non-existant in 2v2, which is where the PVP community focuses their attention to in the first place? Your attitude of mage pvp does not apply to the thousands of other mages who actually don't like the state of affairs and actually want a chance at 2v2.
Even in 3v3 we are almost useless and are carried by the other 2 team mates.
If the focus is on 2v2 then why are all the tournaments 3v3?
Hmm. Makes no sense to me what you're saying.
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Achloryn
@chantress, the main difference between a lock and a mage is
this
.. an instant cast, fear causing spell that heals you for 300% of what damage it causes.. mages have nothing like that.. we have to rely on pots or a 6-7 seconds free so we can evocate for health back. any class that's worth a flip knows better than to give a mage those 6-7 seconds free, cause if they do, the fight is reset.... all things considered, resetting the fight still doesn't mean much for them.
@spinnacer, you're quite right.. frost, for being the best mage pvp spec, scales terribly with spellpower and doesn't do the damage that it should. We have to rely on our cooldowns and survivability and prey for them to make a mistake in order for us to win... every time, against every class.
If frost scaled better with spellpower, then maybe it would be a better pve spec as well... but we all know that frost is broken in that aspect even worse than mage pvp is broken. Lowering the GCD by .5s wouldn't help that much IMO.. but I think you're right it would definitly make our shatter combos at least a bit more dangerous, cause they have less time to get out of things before we start spamming.. Lowering the overall CD of frost nova would also help quite a bit, but then other classes would start crying OP..
Overall, mage pvp is broke.. I hate to say it but I agree.. part of the most painful part of levelling my mage was getting owned by every class I stumbled across.. Even now, I still get owned by almost every class when trying to do dailies or what have you. Makes me want to do a server trasnfer to a non-pvp realm..If I wanna pvp, i'll join a bg or an arena.. About the only class I can beat on a regular basis is warriors... and they're almost much more broken than we are, but I think the fact that mages can beat warriors pretty consistently is more of a thing of balance. however it's not very balanced that EVERY other class can own a common, casual pvping mage on a consistent basis..
now, I know that's not true for everyone out there.. there are mages that are spectacular at pvp.. i am not one of them. i am not terrible at pvp by any means, but i'm sick of going into a BG, being the only mage there, and having more deaths than anyone else.. hell, every BG i go into, a mage is always at the top of the death chart... i look everytime i'm there.
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Shaxe
Hence the Frozen Core talent?
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