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764809
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Post by
Azazel
>_> why are people agianst this? wouldnt this make the internet safer?
fill me in here... but i like my privacy. i hate those adds that hit on your ip, its kinda scary
im not informed on this one bit, i just click the wowhead ad link.
It basically allows the government to put down any website with "suspicious" activity or copyrights issues. Like wowhead, youtube, facebook, twitter etc.
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764809
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Post by
OverZealous
>_> why are people agianst this? wouldnt this make the internet safer?
fill me in here... but i like my privacy. i hate those adds that hit on your ip, its kinda scary
im not informed on this one bit, i just click the wowhead ad link.
It basically allows the government to put down any website with "suspicious" activity or copyrights issues. Like wowhead, youtube, facebook, twitter etc.
This. It allows companies and governments to shut down sites they don't like without giving much explanation. So if you like music, pictures in general, Facebook, watching videos on Youtube or Dailymotion, hanging out on twitter, using Wowhead's database, reading game reviews on IGN or Gamereactor, you're against this.
While it'll stop piracy, it would basicly nuke the Internet in the process.
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764809
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Post by
MyTie
laymen's terms:
Some people transport drugs on the roads, so the US Congress is proposing a bill that will allow them to shut down any road they think might be used to transport drugs. Seems legit.
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204878
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Post by
ChairmanKaga
SOPA (and PIPA too, but I'm tired of typing SOPA/PIPA) is bad not for what it
does
, but what it
is
-- legislation bought and paid for by corporations who think they can fully influence our government and undermine the will of the people. Unfortunately, they are absolutely correct.
SOPA is a massive 10-mile-high banner that reads "your vote no longer matters in Washington, please give us
fat sacks full of cash money
".
Forget the whole piracy and censorship issue -- this is really a
democracy
issue. If you want to send a message to your representative, it should be that he needs to represent
you
-- not the guy in the suit from MegaCorp buying him filet mignon and champagne in exchange for his vote.
SOPA is merely a symptom, not the real disease. Two years ago the Supreme Court decided in
Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission
that it was okay for corporations to dump limitless money on our representatives and turn them into prostitutes for cash. And that is
exactly
what they all did.
$137 million
has gone into buying support for SOPA in Congress, and "our representatives" have been gleefully cashing the checks. Government corruption is at its peak, and SOPA is merely the sort of thing that awaits at the summit.
Post by
MyTie
SOPA (and PIPA too, but I'm tired of typing SOPA/PIPA) is bad not for what it
does
, but what it
is
No. It's bad for what it does. Companies have, have always had, and will always have, an influence in politics.Forget the whole piracy and censorship issueNo.Government corruptionYeah the government is corrupt, but that is really off topic to this thread. You want to stop that issue, then I suggest you push for laws that will hold politicians responsible for bribes, not try to limit who can give money to government and organizations, because you tread on dangerous territory. I dislike McCain/Feingold campaign finance reform for this exact reason. It sets a precedent that government can decide who can run for government, not letting the people decide who can run for government. Dangerous stuff. You're never going to get it perfect, but trying to "remove money" from politics isn't going to work. We are here to discuss SOPA. You want to push the garbage you are talking about, then the Occupy Wall St thread is right over there ------>
Post by
ChairmanKaga
Companies have, have always had, and will always have, an influence in politics.
They should not. Our government is "of the people, by the people, for the people". Corporations are not people.
Why can these people inject millions to get what they want by funneling it through a corporation, but I personally am only allowed to send $2,500? If these fat cats want to influence politics, then let them do so as individuals, and play on the same field as the rest of us.
Yeah the government is corrupt, but that is really off topic to this thread.
It's not, and you have completely missed the point.
Stopping SOPA doesn't stop anything. It we defeat it, these same companies will simply wait a year or two and then try to ram something even worse through Congress. They've been doing it ever since the DMCA came into being.
You can't fix the problem because you won't even acknowledge what the actual problem is.
"We will
never
(as in
not ever
) win the war you care about until we win the war against this corruption of our Republic." -- Lawrence Lessig
You want to push the garbage you are talking about, then the Occupy Wall St thread is right over there ------>
"garbage"....honestly, I think America deserves everything it gets at this point.
Post by
xlanadenx
Pisoup, eh? I've always thought of it as sopapilla (SOPA/PIPA)
Post by
MyTie
You want to push the garbage you are talking about, then the Occupy Wall St thread is right over there ------>
"garbage"....honestly, I think America deserves everything it gets at this point.
Yes it is garbage. It is a shifting of blame. Used to be if government took a bribe, then the government was corrupt. Now you have people like.. well.. you... who want to blame "fat cats" and nameless entities. This is just a distraction. You are never going to get companies out of politics. What you can do is push for corruption charges against your politicians who take bribes, or do insider trading. That is something that is changeable. That is something that is attack-able. If your politician drowns you in a river, you don't get mad at the river for sending all that water. That is the nature of the river. You get mad at your politician for holding your head underwater. What you are proposing is to give the politician who is drowning you control over the river. How the heck is that going to help you? You cannot control the companies. Any more control/regulation you attempt to give government will be abused. All you can do is fight the corruption within your government yourself. Is the system of capitalism perfect? No. I fail to see how you, or anyone else for that matter, is going to improve capitalism by giving it to a corrupt government.
Post by
Rankkor
Fun bity of trivia.
both sopa and pipa are spanish words :P
SOPA = Soup
PIPA = Pipe (as in smoking pipe)
=D
Both laws stink, and you'd have to be a moron to aprove that thing. Wikipedia has shut down for 24 hours to demonstrate what a world without wiki would look like. (Hint: its not a pretty one)
Post by
baradiel
i was so confused of this since i saw this page
http://vimeo.com/31100268
Post by
Pwntiff
Wait, that video makes it more confusing to you?
That video explains what's bad about the bills.
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138638
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Post by
gamerunknown
@MyTie:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAgendaProject
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764809
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Post by
Pwntiff
I've seen some of the petition sites talking about petitioning the US State Dept., but Wikipedia also lists this:
I don't live in the United States. What's the best way for me to help?
Contact your country's Ministry of Foreign Affairs or similar government agency. Tell them you oppose SOPA and PIPA, and any similar legislation. SOPA and PIPA will affect websites outside of the United States, and even sites inside the United States (like Wikipedia) that also affect non-American readers -- like you. Calling your own government will also let them know you don't want them to create their own bad anti-Internet legislation.
Here's a site that links to a State Dept. Petition:
http://americancensorship.org/
Now, for me to gripe about your rant.
Congress is a total of 535 people out of the US population of just around 300 000 000. An average of 13% of the voting population approves of Congress's actions overall. The problem, as with any representative republic, is that once the officials are elected in, they can pass laws without consulting their electorates. The other problem is lobbying. SOPA isn't something Congress created to safeguard the internet for the people. It isn't something they created to piss of they rest of the world. It's something that companies like the RIAA and MPAA wanted Congress to create to better protect their own interests with no regard for how it affects the rest of the world.
The MegaUpload takedown was (mostly) in the clean, the FBI took action against US citizens on US soil, operations on US soil, or acted in concert with the appropriate international law enforcement organizations. Anonymous likes to make mountains out of anthills and is, for the most part, the Internet's analogy of the Westboro Baptist Church.
Clarification: What Anonymous did is just as illegal, if not more so, than what MegaUpload allegedly did.
Also, Congress is 0.000178(3)% of the US population. That's 1.78(3) x 10-4%.
Post by
Squishalot
The MegaUpload takedown was (mostly) in the clean, the FBI took action against US citizens on US soil, operations on US soil, or acted in concert with the appropriate international law enforcement organizations. Anonymous likes to make mountains out of anthills and is, for the most part, the Internet's analogy of the Westboro Baptist Church.
Clarification: What Anonymous did is just as illegal, if not more so, than what MegaUpload allegedly did.
Well said.
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