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Poll: What Are Your Thoughts On Mists of Pandaria?
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Post by
Caolela
As for the Cross Realm Zones: I actually haven't been seeing all that much of an issue with them; no sudden latency spike, no kill thieves and the like; just other players joking and talking in the zones that was missing for a long time.
Well then, you should go take a look at the Blizz forums and all the CRZ threads.
Post by
Adamsm
Is there an issue with the CMZ: Yes there is, which the developers are working on. Does that mean that everything is going to hell in a hand basket? No, not really.
Post by
hymer
@ Caolela: You oughtn't post two times in a row. I believe it's considered spam. You can use the Edit function to add to your post after it's been sent.
Post by
Caolela
Is there an issue with the CMZ: Yes there is, which the developers are working on. Does that mean that everything is going to hell in a hand basket? No, not really.
There are
tons
of issues with CRZ; those threads on Blizz forums have been hundreds of posts long. Problem is, the devs apparently are not going to remove CRZ or create an option to stay out of CRZ. Instead they toss the usual "ya we're working on it, meantime you can just deal with it" response, causing many people to unsub or will when their current sub runs out if things don't get much better.
I was hoping that at some point, I'd renew and get back into a game that I once enjoyed, but MoP is looking pretty lousy IMO.
Post by
Rankkor
"Making money"
while alienating a
large
segment of its paying customer base
(many of them long-term) should not be its "entire purpose".
In the end, peeps will vote with their pocketbooks. I already have.
You seem to be implying that the majority of the players hate the Pandaren. And yet the reason they are canon and NOT a joke, was precisely BECAUSE OF THE FANS of warcraft 3, who loved the race so much, that due to popular demand they were made canon.
Your point is null.
Your point is all well & good, rankkorr, but if China wasn't on such an economic/modernization upswing, Blizz's sudden Pandaren love wouldn't look so much like a blatant cash grab.
Or is it just coincidence? I don't think so.
Also I strongly agree with Elhonnas's answer to this bit.
You are not more important than any other customer. You sneer about the Asian marketplace as though those customers are somehow inferior to you, and you deserve better treatment than they do. Why is it greed/moneygrabbing for a company to cater to what another customer wants, but a moral obligation for them to cater to what you want as a customer?
So, if blizzard caters to western audiences = all good.
They cater to asian ones = Despicable Cash Grab.
From your posting you seem to imply that asian players are beneath you, and that you are far more important than them, that your needs take priority over them, and even worse, that ONLY asian players would hold any love for the pandarens, that "if you are from the west you MUST hate them"
That is a very very sad stance to claim. Again, Pandarens were introduced in 2002 as an april's fools when TFZ was in development, and that's how they would had remained, as a joke, were it not for the thousands upon thousands of fans who loved the race so much, that blizzard made them canon.
They exist because of fan demand, ORIGINAL warcraft fans, not wowfans who just started playing when the MMO went live.
Post by
Interest
As for the Cross Realm Zones: I actually haven't been seeing all that much of an issue with them; no sudden latency spike, no kill thieves and the like; just other players joking and talking in the zones that was missing for a long time.
Well then, you should go take a look at the Blizz forums and all the CRZ threads.
Well it's time to do some investigating...
Post by
Zaraiah
Honestly, I talked as much trash as everyone else when I heard about the new expansion being centered around kung-fu panda and pokemon. Then my friend informed me all I had to do to get into the beta was pre-order the retail copy. A $5 payment to see if it was as bad as we were all expecting was pretty alluring, so I went for it. That night I feasted on my words harder than I ever imagined I could.
The race, the class, the continent, the dungeons, all of it absolutely wonderful.
Post by
Caolela
You seem to be implying that the majority of the players hate the Pandaren. And yet the reason they are canon and NOT a joke, was precisely BECAUSE OF THE FANS of warcraft 3, who loved the race so much, that due to popular demand they were made canon.
I "implied" no such thing, but that's the way you want to spin it to fit your argument.
You are not more important than any other customer. You sneer about the Asian marketplace as though those customers are somehow inferior to you, and you deserve better treatment than they do. Why is it greed/moneygrabbing for a company to cater to what another customer wants, but a moral obligation for them to cater to what you want as a customer?
So, if blizzard caters to western audiences = all good.
They cater to asian ones = Despicable Cash Grab.
From your posting you seem to imply that asian players are beneath you, and that you are far more important than them, that your needs take priority over them, and even worse, that ONLY asian players would hold any love for the pandarens, that "if you are from the west you MUST hate them"
Again, trying to claim that I think Asian players are "beneath me" or that I "sneer" at them is
your
invention. I said or implied no such thing. I merely pointed out the obvious greed of Blizz's latest marketing scheme, which has nothing to do with what I think about players in China or Asia. And it's about not just pandas, but several other issues in MoP.
Some of you will accept anything that Blizz doles out to you in this game. However, many others don't and have chosen to walk away.
Post by
Adamsm
Sadly those who have 'chosen to walk away' feel the need to keep coming to Warcraft fan sites and rubbing their choice in other peoples faces....
Post by
ElhonnaDS
Ok Caolela...follow me.
Either they are doing the Pandas because more people want them than don't or in spite of the fact that more people don't want them than do. Logically, those are the only 2 options.
If, as you claim, most people don't want them, then they can't be doing it for greed, because they would make less money if they changed it in a way that less people would like.
If, as you also claim, they are doing it out of greed, then that would mean that they will be getting more money as a result of doing it, which would have to mean that more people will come to the game because of this than will leave as a result of this.
So there is no way, logically, that you can claim that they both do this out of greed, and do it even though no one wants it. You have to either say it's because of greed, and admit that more people want it than don't, or you have to say it's in spite of no one wanting it, and then you can't say it's fueled by greed. Which is it?
The reason is this is relevant, is that it makes your argument impossible on the grounds you're stating it on. If they are doing something for greed, like making Pandas a race, then by default it means they intend to make more money off it through more subs. More subs = more happy customers than unhappy customers. The only way your argument makes any sense, in a logistical sense, is if you are upset that they are valuing the larger volume of customers who like it over the smaller volume of customers who don't (which would include you). That line of thinking only works if the value you place on each individual customer in your group is higher than the value you place on each individual customer in the other group. Which would be a double standard, which is reinforced by your continued use of the label of the demographic in a snide way, and your insistence that trying to make a larger number of customers happy is greedy, but making a smaller group happy would be "the right thing to do." If you feel the smaller group has a right to something, and the larger group doesn't, you are not really seeing this from a business perspective, and you are certainly not thinking that their opinions have equal merit or validity.
Post by
44284
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Post by
Moriurya
I don't care one way or the other. The expansion is another part of WoW, and I like playing WoW. The most recent changes to talent trees and UI are a little annoying, but not enough to make me rage quit. I'm not going to play a Panda specifically because I don't like the way they move (and the facial expressions on the females are annoying) but I will be exploring every new section of the world and enjoying every moment. Growing pains are difficult, just like crybabies, but one you get over and the other you just ignore.
Post by
Rankkor
You seem to be implying that the majority of the players hate the Pandaren. And yet the reason they are canon and NOT a joke, was precisely BECAUSE OF THE FANS of warcraft 3, who loved the race so much, that due to popular demand they were made canon.
I "implied" no such thing, but that's the way you want to spin it to fit your argument.
.
Ahh no?
"Making money" while alienating a
large
segment of its paying customer base (many of them long-term) should not be its "entire purpose".
In the end, peeps will vote with their pocketbooks. I already have.
Using the word "large" to describe the people who dislike the pandaren and asian setting (which happen to be remarkably few players) is all the argument I need. Plus your posts sound as if a large majority of players are leaving due to this direction the game is going. Which isn't happening.
Again, trying to claim that I think Asian players are "beneath me" or that I "sneer" at them is your invention. I said or implied no such thing. I merely pointed out the obvious greed of Blizz's latest marketing scheme
And yet you keep digging yourself deeper. If blizz does an expansion based on a Nordic/Viking setting (WOTLK), then they're obviously not greedy, they're just awesome. But if blizzard does an expansion in an asian setting with humanoid pandas, then their sole motivation is greed. And your tone indicates you disaprove of this. Why? Either because you hate asian settings (and asian customers) or because you believe YOUR tastes take precedence and importance.
Besides Elhonna punched a pretty nice clean hole in your argument, try to answer to her post. I dare ye.
Some of you will accept anything that Blizz doles out to you in this game.
Who says I do? Despite loving this game, I'm one of its harshest critics. I hated the new Tides of War book, I hated how the lore was handled on cataclysm, and I hated the horrible ending of WOTLK (The expansion that so far happens to be my favorite)
How exactly does that qualifies me as "accepting anything that blizz doles out to me in this game?"
Hey, I happen to like asian mythology (Journey to the West and Romance of the Three Kingdoms are among my favorite books of all times), and I am a big big fan of the Pandaren and have wanted to see them in the game ever since warcraft 3 graced us with their awesomeness. Just because I like them, doesn't make me a drone that will accept all things offered without hesitation or questioning.
Who's the one making baseless assumptions now?
Post by
781960
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Caolela
... you are not really seeing this from a business perspective, ...
...and so on.
Try to follow along here, El: Blizz's best interests as a business is not our (or my) concern. We're the customers, remember? We're the ones that keep them in biz by buying their products/services. Our issue is with the end product and the cost/value of it, not how much profit margin the producer of that product is making.
Similar to what was done to Unreal/UT GOTY/2003/k4, one of my all-time fave game series that was pretty much screwed with UT3, especially given all the pre-release expectation of what that game could & should have been. I haven't played it since a few months after UT3 release.
Anyway, I'm done here. Have fun with Pokemon/anime WoW and CRZ, etc.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
I love it when the point goes right over someone's head. It's like when you point at something you want your cat to look at, and they stare at your finger.
Post by
Adamsm
Anyway, I'm done here.
Oh if only this were true....
Post by
Rankkor
Anyway, I'm done here.
Oh if only this were true....
yet we all know it aint.
Also I love it how he completely ignored the part where Elhonna punched a neat clean hole in his entire argument and he said nothing about it.
Post by
Monday
I love it when the point goes right over someone's head. It's like when you point at something you want your cat to look at, and they stare at your finger.
You just earned yourself a place in my sig, Elhonna. Of all your gems of wisdom, this is easily the best.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
He actually quoted the tiny part that he could without repeating any of the part where I explained how he wasn't making any sense.
Doing something for 500,000 customers in Asia, even if 50,000 old customers don't like is, is catering to the customer. Apparently, if you're not one of the customers in the majority opinion, however, then the majority opinion doesn't deserve customer service or a desire to cater to what they want.
EDIT: Thanks Benzene =D
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