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Monday
Remember how suprised the Boltons were that only 60 men defended Moat Cailin? They thought there were hundreds there based on the resistance they had gotten.
Remember how earlier it's also been said that Moat Cailin could be defended with that many men? It's happened before.
Raiding requires land battle just as much as naval expertise.
Of a different sort. The Vikings couldn't hold up in a full fight against those they raided because they lacked the coordination and weaponry that the others did. The Ironborn are largely the same. They might be good individual soldiers, but from what's been seen, they don't make very good armies for a multitude of reasons.
Post by
Gone
If anyone has ever played Risk, and found that late in the game there can be maybe 4 or 5 players that control most lands and are the most powerful, I like to equate those players to House Tyrell and other game-changers like this new self-styled Aegon the Conqueror, or House Martell.
Dude Aegon
Blackfyre
sailed across the sea with 10,000 men and took a few castles by suprise, and atm he has less than half of his men with him. If it werent for Varys and such running interference for him, he wouldnt even be a blip on the map. Where do you get off calling him a game changer? If he takes Storms End maybe, if Dorne joins him definatly, untill then, no.
Where as the Ironborn have (if you believe the reports) over 1,000 ships. And they have not lost a single battle since the war started with the exception of Asha and the few troops she had left when she got cornered and outnumbered by Stannis. All of which are now gang banging the reach, probably sailing twords Old Town. I mean i get not liking them, but you are vastly underplaying their military powers here.
Of a different sort. The Vikings couldn't hold up in a full fight against those they raided because they lacked the coordination and weaponry that the others did. The Ironborn are largely the same. They might be good individual soldiers, but from what's been seen, they don't make very good armies for a multitude of reasons.
Dude thats the worst example you could give if you wanna make the Ironborn look weak. The vikings terrorized half of Europe and conqured most of the nordic region. Just because they didnt have the typical standing army that most midevil combat is associated with, dosnt make them any less of a threat, same deal with the ironborn.
They have the only real notable navy at this point, besides the Vale and Dorne they were the least hurt by the war, if anything they prospered from it, and they seem to have very smart leaders. Show me an example of them failing at land combat and maybe Ill accept what your saying.
Contrary to popular culter, vikings did have disciplin. they were some of the greatest warriors to ever live.
Post by
Monday
Contrary to popular culter, vikings did have disciplin. they were some of the greatest warriors to ever live.
Did I say they weren't disciplined?
Dude thats the worst example you could give if you wanna make the Ironborn look weak. The vikings terrorized half of Europe and conqured most of the nordic region. Just because they didnt have the typical standing army that most midevil combat is associated with, dosnt make them any less of a threat, same deal with the ironborn.
BUT they never conquered any land. In the game of thrones, you win or you die. The Ironborn are currently dying.
Post by
Gone
Contrary to popular culter, vikings did have disciplin. they were some of the greatest warriors to ever live.
Did I say they weren't disciplined?
You said they lacked coordination.
BUT they never conquered any land.
They actualy conqured quite a bit, expanding their territory out from Scandinavia to the rest of the Nordic region.
In the game of thrones, you win or you die. The Ironborn are currently dying.
O.o WHAT?
Dude how are they dying? The Northmen died, the Stormlords died, the Riverlords died, the Lannisters are dying. The Ironborn are
thriving
. Unlike the other major powers that were all decimated by the War of the Five Kings, the Ironborn actualy benifited from their conquest. They captured food and ships and weapons and castles and slaves and livestock, and armor, etc etc. While almost every other army involved is now a shadow of its former self.
The Starks are more or less done for, Winterfell is burned. Tywin and Kevan Lannister are dead, Tyrion is in exile and Cersei is on trial for treason. Robert and Renly are dead with Stannis freezing his ass off in the North after most of his army was decimated on the Blackwater. Meanwhile the Ironborn have a new leader, thats lit a fire under them even larger than the one Balon sparked and are launching a new assault on the seven kingdoms.
Compared to the other armies, the Ironborn are actually faring remarkably well. And I wont even get into Euron yet, I think we all know he is being set up as a major threat. Remember that one description that keeps cropping up in the prophecies.
A tall and twisted thing with one black eye and ten long arms, sailing on a sea of blood
Post by
Monday
Euron I can agree with. However, I see Daeny as the biggest player right now, however much it irks me to say that (god, I hate her).
You said they lacked coordination.
Large scale coordination =/= discipline.
They actualy conqured quite a bit, expanding their territory out from Scandinavia to the rest of the Nordic region.
However, they were never able to secure anything in Europe nor North America.
Post by
Gone
Euron I can agree with. However, I see Daeny as the biggest player right now, however much it irks me to say that (god, I hate her).
Danny used to be my favorite, she had the best character development back in AGOT and ACOK. But now yea shes pretty annoying. Idk if shes a major player yet though, her army is sort of small and shes on the other side of the world, and she cant controll her dragons. Shes will likley become a major player when she lands in Westeros, but at this point? Not really.
I actually think that Danny might be numero 2 in the end. Assuming Jon is actually the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyana Stark then he may have a better claim to the throne then her. Although Aegon has the best claim assuming he is a real Targ. Though the heir to the Iron Throne may pale in significance to being the child of ice and fire.
Post by
Monday
Aegon is lacking men though, which is probably his biggest problem. If he can get some of the Great Houses on his side, though, I definitely see him becoming problem #1 for the Lannisters.
Post by
Levarus
I'm thinking Aegon will get the support of Dorne.
Post by
Gone
Aegon is lacking men though, which is probably his biggest problem. If he can get some of the Great Houses on his side, though, I definitely see him becoming problem #1 for the Lannisters.
Dorne will probably join him, they were untouched by the war and had 50,000 men all set to fight for Danny. They will likley be happy to swap one dragon for another, and just propose a marriage between Aegon and Arianne.
Im pretty sure I know exactly how Storms End is going to be captured. Aegon and the Gold Company will ride up and attack the Tyrell men besieging it, between superior numbers and the element of suprise they will wipe them all out. The defenders inside think that they were sent by Stannis or somebody to liberate them and open the gates, then they all rush inside and take the castle. Also known as pulling a Ramsay Bolton.
Once Aegon has Storms End he could potentially hold out forever (not that I think he will be happy to sit there and do that). Its said more than once to be the most heavily fortified castle in the realm, and he has between 5000-10000 men to hold it. Plus winter is now officialy here and comming up fairly fast on the south. The Iron Throne is in no position to enact a long seige at this point. With Dorne or Danerys eventually comming to aid him Aegon could take the Iron Throne.
This is of course assuming that a huge monkey wrench isnt thrown into the works. I have a sickening feeling this will be another "stallion who mounts the world" type of situation where this huge epic story gets built up, just to be thrown out for something els.
Post by
Levarus
I'm interested to know which side the Vale is going to cast their swords with, perhaps once Sansa is married her husband will take Winterfell for her and side with Stannis...I don't know TBH, should be interesting what happens down the road with Petyr Baelish though.
Post by
Gone
I'm interested to know which side the Vale is going to cast their swords with, perhaps once Sansa is married her husband will take Winterfell for her and side with Stannis...I don't know TBH, should be interesting what happens down the road with Petyr Baelish though.
I have no idea what Little Fingers end game is, Im thinking it could be farther down the line than even Varys though. Pretty sure the Vale was sparred the war for a reason.
Speaking of whome, I kinda hope rather than Danny the younger more beutifull queen who takes everything away from Cersei will turn out to be Varys in drag... with a crossbow >:)
Post by
Levarus
:-|
Or perhaps Arya turns into a Faceless
Man
Woman and kills Cersei!
Post by
Gone
:-|
Or perhaps Arya turns into a Faceless
Man
Woman and kills Cersei!
Depending on how you wanna define
queen
it could be Loras Tyrell...
Shireen Baratheon would be a cool twist, inner beauty and all that, although I doubt it would happen.
Post by
Orranis
:-|
Or perhaps Arya turns into a Faceless
Man
Woman and kills Cersei!
Depending on how you wanna define
queen
it could be Loras Tyrell...
Lol.
Post by
Gone
Not to drudge this up again, but I just remembered in ASOS Tywin Lannister wanted to marry Cersei to Balon Greyjoy to seal an alliance with him and his giant ass fleet. The Greyjoys embarrassed Tywin in the past, so he wouldnt be one to offer up his only daughter in a marriage like this unless he had mad respect for their military power. Especially considering Balon was labled a rebel and an enemy of the crown at that time.
Post by
Levarus
Yea he was strong and stuff up until Melisandre one-shot pwnd him.
Post by
Gone
Yea he was strong and stuff up until
Euron
one-shot pwnd him.
Fixed that for ya ;D
Im gonna be honest, I dont think the Melisandre had anything to do with any of the three kings deaths. I think that she saw them in her fires, and used the leeches to manipulate Stannis into killing Edric Storm.
And tbh I dont think Balon was ever all that strong, certainly not as much so as his brothers at least. A big part of why Robb started losing the war was because of the Ironborn invasion that he never expected, if Balon had let go of his pride and allied with the Young Wolf like Theon wanted him to, then not only would they have probably won the war together, but with allies in the North he would have had a much better shot at keeping his new kingdom. Where as going down the path he chose, the Iron Throne would have eventually turned their attention to him after all the others were dead, and he would have had a brand new war to fight.
Victorion and Euron burned Tywins fleet. Asha, Theon, and Victorion conqured the North, Balon really didnt have all that much cred going for him besides the rebellion being his initial idea. I mean I assume he had something going for him, the Damphair seemed to hold him in almost as high esteem as the Drowned God, but whatever it was we never saw it. And his death was just too anticlimactic.
Post by
Levarus
Balon was never a really...
huge
character, at least not like Ned Stark or Brienne of Tarth, I'd say his death wasn't really climactic or anti-climactic, but I do agree that it could of been a bit better, like Euron returning and killing him or something, that'd be cool.
Post by
Gone
Another new trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNLc5Nf9YxA
Post by
Gone
As to the season splitting btw, even if you stick to a single season per book the girl who plays Arya alone is going to be 21 by the time the series is over. Besides seven seasons is usualy where shows start to get stale (some exceptions), I think that seven seasons for seven books is a good run, there is no need to split up ASOS.
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