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17/44/0 Shiv Build?
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Post by
Moiro
Hey folks
Give me your thoughts on my build. DO! Consider my weapons.
My off hand is way better then MH, so I decided to go with a Shiv + haste build. I also tried to keep the build balanced for some PVP.
So far I am pretty happy with both as I do good DPS (consider my equipment - 2 purples) in Heroics and manage to get 50%+ success in 2v2 arena (with a mage).
I mostly rely on attack speed which gives me lots of energy, which in turn gives me lots of CP through shiv (34energy)! Combined with 28% crit and 30% avoidance I fare fine. I put Instant #2 on my OH. Combined with DW Spec it puts out decent DPS. Now consider that I can speed my weapons up to about MH1.0 and 0.8 OH through - SnD + Blade Flury + Mongoose + Assassination Bonus (I use gloves for PVE) when i put Adrenaline Rush on top of that DPS Spikes nicely.
Here is my crappy gear and stats.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&n=Moiro
This is my build
Assassination (17 points)
5/5 Malice - Self explainatory
3/3 Ruthlessness - Self explainatory
3/3 Improved Backstab - Option for PVP (best viable choice)
1/1 Relentless Strikes - (rocks, combined with comb.potency)
5/5 Lethality - ( for BS and Shiv)
Combat (44 points)
3/3 Improved Gouge - For PVP
5/5 Lightning Reflexes - 5 % avoidance GOOD!
3/3 Improved Slice and Dice - PVE might drop 1 point
5/5 Deflection - 5% avoidance GOOD!
5/5 Precision - needed for DW spec
1/1 Riposte - awesome in PVP!
2/2 Improved Sprint - PVP
2/2 Improved Kick - PVP might drop 1 for Blade Twisting
5/5 Dagger Specialization - Self Explainatory
5/5 Dual Wield Specialization - for shiv and OH Weapon
1/1 Blade Flurry - Self Explainatory
1/1 Adrenaline Rush - heheheheh!
5/5 Combat Potency - great with my OH and bonuses.
1/1 Surprise Attacks - best way to psend 1 last point
Subtlety (0 points)
None - WIsh I had more points:(
So please give me your feedback. You can call me whatever you want I don't care realy, all I want is some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism or feedback. Perhaps there is something I can improve.
Thanks!
P.S
I use daggers cause I like them.
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Post by
Moiro
And which build is SnD Rapture? Can u post a linky plz?''
Thanks
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Post by
Quyx
If the mob is bleed immune than I substitute Rupture for Expose Armor.I bet your tank must love that.
Post by
Moiro
I am not totally convinced that I can do more dmg with rapture and SnD with the weapons that I have. Is there a way to do hte calculation on the Rogue DPS sheet, using shiv instead of SS?
MH 71.8dps @ SS * 5 + 34(poison dps @ 20%)=393dmg @ 45energy per SS
OH 97.7dps Shiv *5 + 170 *5 (poison dps @ 100%)= 658.5 @ 34energy per shiv
My calculation is obviously not 100% correct as I cant factor in enrgy ticks etc. so I used DPS as a rough example. Now if you add in 20% chance for +15 energy the shiv + OH will give me I think Shiv ---> SS hands down (once again considering my 2 weapons)
If you see a flaw in my calc pleas let me know. In the end i'll go by numbers.
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103105
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Post by
Moiro
1s/3r
3s/5s/5r
3SnD 5SS 5RUP?
In that case is 3BS 3SnD 5SS 5RUP?
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Darcius
I EA raid bosses for the lulz.
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94076
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Post by
Moiro
Hmm i tried Mutilate before and I did like it. But wanted to try out everything. So, whats the usual CP build up for you? And I NEVER use envenom, can you explain WHY i should? I don't think i fully understand how it works.
Thanks TheFuryBeast
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Post by
Moiro
Just understand one thing, I think is post is a joke. No one is that stupid to suggest a 'shiv' build, I mean how do you even spec shiv spec...
Did I not explain it in detail in post #1?
#1My off hand is 27 dps better then my main hand.
#2 5/5 in Dual Wield = no dmg penalty
#3 5/5 in COmbat potency = 20% chance of +15energy
#4 Off hand hits more often thus producing more crits and producing more +15 energy
#5 Shiv costs me 34 energy not 45
#6 Every shiv adds instant poison damage to target.
Get it now?
The quote from Moiro:
You didn't even think 'well i guess 3/3 in improved backstab (30%crit) could be better than vitality' - which in your current gear gives you 6agil and 9stam....
3/3 Improved Backstab - Option for PVP (best viable choice)
as posted above
Lastly, what the hell happened to your arena teams? Personally I think ad rush shiving something down doesn't really help since a renew ticking would out heal your dps.
Nothing hapened to arena teams.
As far as flat out saying "noone is stupid enough" and "smack your face on the keyboard". I was consistently 1st or 2nd DPS in any heroic group. I did only a littlebit of Kara and I was 5/10 DPS wise. So you have NO grounds for your ranting in here. This "useless" spec DOES out dps alot of other classes.. Notice how I am NOT saying its the best and that is exactly why I posted here, to ask questions and improve.
Post by
Moiro
Shiv spec is worthless in arena, bgs, or end game raiding. The math has been done. There is no debating the issue.
I am not debating, I am asking in an attempt to explore all posibilities and determine which spec to use for optimum DPS and weapon prefference.
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Post by
Moiro
Someone tell me what 3s/3s/5r means!
Post by
Remx
Someone tell me what 3s/3s/5r means!
3CP slice and dice, 3CP slice and dice, 5CP rupture.
It's a rotation.
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