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tuckmuck203
My bad, for some reason I never saw that post 0.o
Post by
tuckmuck203
I asked, Why do people do illogical things in pvp?
I was answered: QQmoar. bias:
a particular tendency or inclination, especially one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of an argument. IE: when someone oversimplifies any arguments against their point
How is that a helpful answer to the question? it wouldn't have been, that is if you actually received that as an answer I don't get it. QQmoar is an answer, and it isn't helpful.
God, this is getting tedious. I can beat this agrument too goshad, but it's just getting to the point where I'm going ot give up because it's too much effort then i guess you aren't the prophesied one!
seriously thought, preemptive dodge noted
That's no preemptive dodge, I take full responsibility for all of what I have said. Also, I realized I don't have much else to do except keep trying to beat you.
My response: You asked for
another
reason why I posted a QQ story(as you put it) I gave you another reason...I don't get it...two
regurgitated
versions of your "question" =/= several other given reasons validating your post
idiot-proofed both statements
if you are still having trouble understanding, bring a parent/gaurdian into the room to assist with the reading
You asked me why I posted here other than a QQ story. I gave you one. Your saying that my question isn't valid is just being stubborn.
My response: According to your definition of bias, you're now biased too! You oversimplified my answer. wtf are you talking about? I quoted you
verbatim
nice dodge though
not really
You may have quoted me verbatim, but you left out key points.
My in game experience itself isn't biased.
again, wtf are you talking about, no one stated your experience was biased.... experiences can't be biased
Exactly my point. I stated what happened, then asked, regardless if it were true or not, what the answer to my question is. If it helps, you can think of it as my question being hypothetical, even though it really isn't.
I stated: If my story is taken to be true, regardless of it actually being true, then what is the answer ot my question. That's not bias, that is a conditional statement. the problem remains:
your question was rhetoric
and your opinion on the relevance of the responses you received, is very clearly and very painfully biased
My oppinion on the relevance of the replies is limited to my not liking posts that say QQmoar. Otherwise, see above.
My response: Wow. So mature. That's an almost laughably stupid and immature thing to do. sorry I hurt your feelings, but your attempt at making a psychological argument failed on two counts: it had nothing to do with psychology and it was outright incorrect
next time put more thought into an argument when you are trying to sound smart and/or well educated and you wont be mocked when it fails so miserably
The psychological aspect I mentioned still holds in the situation that I was in at the time. The fact that I misread your message doesn't mean that it makes my argument fail. Also, next time you quote me, quote the right paragraph(the psychological one)
and you wont be mocked when it fails so miserably
Indeed I did. I see the problem was that amidst all of the QQ
ranting
there were some responses that did answer my question. even as you slowly become aware of your weak arguments your deep seeded biases still shine through
see, now that is a psychological argument
Repetitive.
I was refering to your accusations of illogical and unhelpful answers
and repeated answers does nothing to weaken my argument against your denial of answers
True, repetitive answers do nothing to weaken your point, but I believe my first post on the second page rephrased/reworked my question making the ones that I listed as repetitive also irrelevent.
Not helpful. how was that not helpful? ignoring the fact that you help isn't something that you were looking for, the answer in question was on topic, well supported, and relevant to the discussion. It also, coincidentally, was the best answer to your "question": the warrior never elaborated, and no one here possesses the gift of mind reading, we don't really know why he did it, and we never will. See the second part of my point above.
Not a feral druid, therefore illogical. Feral druids have stuns as CC's, and that's it for support. stuns aren't the only form of support, in fact cloudp never made a feral specific argument in the
post in question
the only illogical thing here is your response
So um...I said I'm feral. I'm not going to be able to heal him through a boomkin popping all of his cooldowns....
Uhm...I did that too...
Step by step process as to how I did it
right
.
1: List several things that are ironic.
2: Quote goshadstept2lose.
I fail to see what that video had to do with anything. At all. Whatsoever. You should link that after you're sure you've won.
sense you intended to make: x
sense you actually made: 0
response: headsplosion
it probably stems from your poor grammar and a possible missuse of "irony" but Im not about to make an assumption about what you meant when that is all i have to go on
My poor grammar? Really? You don't capitalize the first word of every sentence, you constantly make run-on sentences, and you're saying
I
have poor grammar? I wasn't going to call you on that, but honestly! That's just pathetic!
Also, I corrected any typos either of us made cuz it was messing with my ocd
Post by
Caperon
We still doing this?
Post by
goshadstep2lose
I don't get it. QQmoar is an answer, and it isn't helpful.bias:
a particular tendency or inclination, especially one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of an argument.
IE: when someone oversimplifies any arguments against their point
if you are still having trouble understanding, bring a parent/gaurdian into the room to assist with the reading
That's no preemptive dodge, I take full responsibility for all of what I have said. stating a reason why you would lose before you do lose and making it on your terms is a preemptive dodge and nothing more
You asked me why I posted here other than a QQ story. I gave you one. Your saying that my question isn't valid is just being stubborn. No, what Im pointing out, and repeating, and repeating, is that your "other reasons" that you attribute to your post in an attempt to justify it are just reworded versions of the original. You say you want to know, "why come he don this!", and we are saying that its obvious that you are simply looking to validate your angst. I have challenged you to quote one of the alternate reasons you claim to have presented and you have yet to comply.
You are completely aware of all the reasons the warrior would want to run the flag, even if you attempt to take refuge behind your own ignorance by claiming that you, as WoW player, are somehow unaware of the basic workings of wsg and the players within, you still cannot avoid the fact that multiple reasons why he may have done it have been attributed in this very thread. The fact that you ignored most of them not only showcases your biases, it also is irrefutable evidence that
you really don't care why he did it
.
Like brokenwing said, you came here looking for a pat on the back and when you didn't receive it, you responded the only way you knew how...
...with more griefing
And try ad hominem all you like, but the validity of your question has nothing to do with my "stubbornness" your question isn't valid for the myriad of reasons I and other posters have pointed out- it was used as a rhetoric device and is irrelevant to PvP and discussions about it
quit dodging direct retorts or quit posting
You may have quoted me verbatim, but you left out key points. the mere fact that the quote was verbatim has already destroyed any chance you have of arguing that I oversimplified it
I'd also love to hear the hidden context of
LOLQQ U MAD BRAH?
the long and short of it is-
I accused you of oversimplifying any response you received that didn't further your own personal delusion
You responded by saying that you stated exactly what had happened in
I pointed out that there was
alot
more to them than that and that your summery was textbook oversimplification and a perfect example of your biased posting
you tried to turn my argument around on me (classic dodging) and failed miserably
Exactly my point. I stated what happened, then asked, regardless if it were true or not, what the answer to my question is. what, if anything, does this have to do with your claims that someone was accusing your gaming experience of being ...biased...
If it helps, you can think of it as my question being hypothetical, even though it really isn't. It was simply a shameless attempt to promp the responses you were looking for, evidenced by the fact that it only became an issue when the value of your thread was challenged and you attempted to use it as smokescreen
I'm guessing you are regretting asking such a broad question at this point aren't you?
My oppinion on the relevance of the replies is limited to my not liking posts that say QQmoar when they are talking about me. Otherwise, see above dodge fixed for clarity
also:
nice job
The psychological aspect I mentioned still holds in the situation that I was in at the time. The fact that I misread your message doesn't mean that it makes my argument fail. yes it does, thats exactly what it means
Also, next time you quote me, quote the right paragraph(the psychological one)
and you wont be mocked when it fails so miserably
wtf are you talking about? what psychological argument did you make that was misquoted?
here we go again:
you claimed that the only answers you received were coincidentally on your side
I pointed out multiple quotes from answers you received, disproving that claim
you, dodging the holes I pointed in your argument, accused me of padding my argument. You then tried to emulate a style of arguing that I have been using where I point out your psychological motives
I mocked you for its lack of a psychological basis and its straight up fallacy (as all of the quotes were from original sources).
it really is getting bothersome when you loss place of wtf you were talking about and I have to help you get caught up
Responses that don't answer my question make me biased? Cool story bro.
god dammit do I really need to requote all the
direct answers
to your question?
or did your brain really just reset itself 3 pages as another mental block to avoid the inevitable realization of how wrong you are
True, repetitive answers do nothing to weaken your point, but I believe my first post on the second page rephrased/reworked my question making the ones that I listed as repetitive also irrelevent. Why do people refuse to drop the flag for a CLEARLY superior flag carrier?I'm curious as to the thought process. Is he being a griefer, or is he stupid, or is it something I haven't thought of. trust me, as someone who isn't suffering from your deep seeded denial, you did nothing of the sort
also, sad attempts to discredit relevant information are sad
See the second part of my point above. how is that a response? baslessly accusing someone of stupidity dosn't change the fact that no one in this thread will ever know why he did what he did
well, deep down,
you may
, and I have every reason to believe you aren't telling us the full story
So um...I said I'm feral. I'm not going to be able to heal him through a boomkin popping all of his cooldowns.... you just said you werent feral
but w/e
I had forgot that being a cat meant you couldn't heal and that blizz didn't want ferals to have
situational healing
- mah bayud!
also: nothing you have responded to on this point changes the fact that you would have been better of sticking with the warrior, and you had many ways to do so as pointed out by cloudp.
quit dodging or quit posting
My poor grammar? Really? You don't capitalize the first word of every sentence, you constantly make run-on sentences, and you're saying
I
have poor grammar? I wasn't going to call you on that, but honestly! That's just pathetic!
Also, I corrected any typos either of us made cuz it was messing with my ocd
the difference is, my shorthand has never impeded my message
most people will agree that word misuses and incomplete trains of thought are much more serious grammar offenses
Post by
HoleofArt
I always wonder why mods let threads like this last so long, and yet others get locked so easily.
Post by
tuckmuck203
I accused you of oversimplifying any response you received that didn't further your own personal delusion
I didn't oversimplify, I summarized.
You responded by saying that you stated exactly what had happened in
Then I went on to state that whether it was true or not, treat it as if it were.
I pointed out that there was alot more to them than that and that your summery was textbook oversimplification and a perfect example of your biased posting
No, I summarized, and then told you why the posts that you quoted weren't relevent or helpful. Big difference actually.
you tried to turn my argument around on me (classic dodging) and failed miserably
Not exactly. Or at all, really.
you claimed that the only answers you received were coincidentally on your side
Do you read my posts, or just skim them? I stated that the answers are not relevent or helpful.
you, dodging the holes I pointed in your argument, accused me of padding my argument. You then tried to emulate a style of arguing that I have been using where I point out your psychological motives
I'm fairly certain that if anything you've been emulating my argument. I'm the one that pointed out the psychological parts first...
I mocked you for its lack of a psychological basis and its straight up fallacy (as all of the quotes were from original sources).
You misunderstand. I'm saying I'm not an idiot because I misread your post. My argument still holds in the given stiuation, but the situation was not what I thought it was, therefore, I'm not an idiot. I made a mistake. Little bit of a difference there.
For future notice, THIS is the part that I was talking about on the second page
I'm curious as to the thought process
you just said you werent feral
but w/e Really? I've EXPLICITLY stated several times that I was a feral druid, as in, at least twice.
Plus, I don' thave nurturing intellect. Just because it's a talent there doesn't mean I have it. As I said, I'm level 69, and I don't have all of the talents for a feral pvp druid yet.
Too tired to quote the rest, but it's a rely to the last part in general:
At the level the warrior was at (64) the starfall and wrath spam would have killed him outright, not even to mention the treants. Plus, we were practically just in front of the horde graveyard. If I hadn't stalled the druid, then the warrior would have died. Can we stop talking about how I fail so har dnow please? Cuz obvously I don't unless you think I did something wrong, in which case I invite you to point out my mistake.
I wasn't asking as to specifically why he did it, I was asking what THOUGHTS may have made him think he was doing it right.
How has my writing impeded my message? and if it has, it's a case of not wording it right. That's not grammar.
Grammar-
In linguistics, grammar is the set of structural rules that govern the composition of sentences, phrases, and words in any given natural language.
I don't see where it says anything about bad wording.
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Post by
Monjaru
First off, Holy^&*!GoshadUsedCapitalizationInHisSentences.
And second:
I don't see where it says anything about bad wording.
Grammar-
In linguistics, grammar is the set of structural rules that govern the
composition of sentences, phrases, and
words
in any given natural language.
Right there.
And third...
Nothing is being accomplished except 2 people just going back and forth while everyone else goes, "This is still happening?".
You do realize no one is making you keep up with this thread, right? You can stop reading it whenever you like, but clearly it's interesting enough to have kept your attention up until this point.
Post by
goshadstep2lose
I didn't oversimplify, I summarized.
to the point where the individual points of each post were lost, thus, oversimplified
Then I went on to state that whether it was true or not, treat it as if it were. I really don't know why you keep retreating to this... the issue that people are taking with the thread isn't whether or not what you said happened... its your self righteous reaction
and how is this response related to what you were responding to? despite being completely irrelevant, it in no way refutes the step by step process of how that specific argument panned out
No, I summarized, and then told you why the posts that you quoted weren't relevent or helpful. Big difference actually. the problem is, I when I called you on your logic as to why they weren't relevant or helpful you were unable to support it
if you want to repeat arguments like i get to you have to first to make a retort to the standing arguments that have already been made against them
and when you were "telling me why the posts weren't relevant or helpful" you only touched on a couple of the already summarized responses
Not exactly. Or at all, really. "nuh uh!" is not an appropriate response in an argument, try again without dodging
The only
helpful
answers were on my side. ignoring the fact that you help isn't something that you were looking for, the answer in question was on topic, well supported, and relevant to the discussion. It also, coincidentally, was the best answer to your "question": the warrior never elaborated, and no one here possesses the gift of mind reading, we don't really know why he did it, and we never will.
Do you read my posts, or just skim them? considering I respond to literally
every argument you make
I stated that the answers are not relevent or helpful. good thing that doesn't make it true, then
I'm fairly certain that if anything you've been emulating my argument. I'm the one that pointed out the psychological parts first...
especially since you first mention of a "psychological argument" was: I can make a psychological argument too!
You misunderstand. I'm saying I'm not an idiot because I misread your post. I am
My argument still holds in the given stiuation no, it actually doesn't hold because <relinks one the outstanding amount of responses that you have dodged>
but the situation was not what I thought it was, therefore, I'm not an idiot. I made a mistake. Little bit of a difference there. moral: don't base your argument on baseless assumptions
For future notice, THIS is the part that I was talking about on the second page
I'm curious as to the thought processI believe my first post on the second pagefirst post on the second pagefirst post
Really? I've EXPLICITLY stated several times that I was a feral druid, as in, at least twice. I know, my confusion goes back to your terrible grammar and formatting
Maybe he didn't think this, but a Druid is also a much superior supporter than a Warrior
Not a feral druid, therefore illogical.
Plus, I don' thave nurturing intellect. Just because it's a talent there doesn't mean I have it. As I said, I'm level 69, and I don't have all of the talents for a feral pvp druid yet. thats one that you should have picked up
awhile
ago and the first half of the argument stands, you don't need nurturing instincts to heal
Too tired to quote the rest, but it's a rely to the last part in general you had already skipped 1/2 the post at this point, but if it wasn't for that, and your already well establish track record, this attempt at a dodge may have worked
At the level the warrior was at (64) the starfall and wrath spam would have killed him outright, not even to mention the treants. as its been stated CC/distract/heal move on, not that big of a deal
If I hadn't stalled the druid, then the warrior would have died. stalling the druid and staying with the FC aren't mutually exclusive, sorry
Can we stop talking about how I fail so har dnow please? Cuz obvously I don't unless you think I did something wrong, in which case I invite you to point out my mistake. *points at thread and everything in it*
I wasn't asking as to specifically why he did it, I was asking what THOUGHTS may have made him think he was doing it right. this is just getting more and more depressing
How has my writing impeded my message?Step by step process as to how I did it right.
1: List several things that are ironic.
2: Quote goshadstept2lose.
I fail to see what that video had to do with anything. At all. Whatsoever. You should link that after you're sure you've won.
and if it has, it's a case of not wording it right. That's not grammar.
Grammar-
In linguistics, grammar is the set of structural rules that govern the composition of sentences, phrases, and
words
in any given natural language.
I don't see where it says anything about bad wording.if you are still having trouble understanding, bring a parent/guardian into the room to assist with the reading
TLDR;
quit dodging or quit posting
Post by
tuckmuck203
Dear god. I give up. Not that you'll believe me, but I could keep arguing. I just really don't have the time nor inclination to spend more time on this.
Post by
goshadstep2lose
so much for the prophesy
=(
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Post by
cloudp
I wasn't asking as to specifically why he did it, I was asking what THOUGHTS may have made him think he was doing it right.
I just had to single out this Gold-level argumentation.
Really, it's just brilliant.
What kind of english language based excuse can be made on that? Because as it stands, all I read is:
I'm not asking why he did A, I'm asking what led to him doing it - read, WHY HE DID IT.
you youself said he belived he was right? Than guess why he did it?
Because he belives he is right.
Now that's a conclusion that took me days to reach. Not something directly implied from the sentence, at all.
I don't think there's any need for further comments. Goshad did them all.
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Caperon
DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
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Azazel
Dear god. I give up. Not that you'll believe me, but I could keep arguing. I just really don't have the time nor inclination to spend more time on this.
quit dodging or quit postingIf you can't admit you were wrong, just stop posting. If you can admit you were wrong, do so. If you want to argue that you were right, f*cking
argue that you were right
, don't use ad hominem and avoiding arguments to try and "win".
This was for tuckmuck203... right?
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Post by
goshadstep2lose
Ima not gonna grudge
lol10characters... owait
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