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Draenei offical swept under the rug..
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Garenzo
Nubondo will most likely (semi-confirmed?) be assisiting Thrall in Earthen Ring duties
Nope, no hints towards him being in Cata so far. Another broken shaman named Erunak plays a pretty big part though.
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
The Draenei have a good pot of heroes, but most of them are one-liners. They come onto the scene say "Hi there! I'm going to d o this for you!" Then leave. Velen, Akama, Nubondo, and Maraad are the most involved.
Velen is sitting in the Vault of LightsAs he's been doing since the Sunwell
Akama.......we haven't seen him for a whileHe's kind of disappeared into thin air. I don't expect to see him again until Argus (provided that happens, which it
should
).
Nubondo will most likely (semi-confirmed?) be assisiting Thrall in Earthen Ring dutiesSee Garenzo's post.
Maraad is doing teaching or something Garona's son (Forget his name at the moment, I have never followed the comics.)
Drumorc shamageicator
Sammiest Sam that ever Sammed
Med'an, you mean?
There are apparently a few draenei in the Twilight Highlands, guarding a portal of some sort in the Alliance base. (Which about answers what they're doing: kissing up to the rest of the Alliance.)
I'll just avoid replying to the rest of the post because its pretty much a nice use of the Godwin's Law.Excuse me? Where the
hell
did I come anywhere close to comparing anyone to the Axis Powers in WWII? You're out of line, buster.
After this I am sure that what ''we'' supposedly knew was indeed ''half'' of what can be easily found on wowwiki (sarcasm).Considering that what you copy-pasted there uses a lot of words but doesn't actually say much? Yes. It's a paraphrase of
Rise of the Horde
(which was mainly from the orcish viewpoint, not the draenic) and a few quests, plus embellishment on what we already knew.
And seriously? If you're complaining about embellishment—which would have been necessary for just about
any
new race—you're seriously reaching.
Post by
Adamsm
Akama.......we haven't seen him for a while
He's kind of disappeared into thin air. I don't expect to see him again until Argus (provided that happens, which it should).Well, or any expansion which increases the addition of the Broken to the rest of the World; they are technically now part of the Shattrah forces after the end of the Black Temple events.
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229054
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Adamsm
You know, even back in the Last Guardian there was a reference to the Draenei; the humanoid race that Garona was believed to come from, as she has been a half-orc her entire existence. It wasn't till the comics that the half-draenei tag was added to her after all, and a lot of her descriptions of her original 'parentage'; something human like, slimmer then the orcs(which does describe the females), and her own reference to her different body shape, was probably the ground works for the original idea of the Draenei before the Broken were officially introduced.
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Adamsm
I think she is still referenced as looking ''half-human'' because the rpgs that came much later describe her as that. Emphasys on ''looking'' because the RPG's kind of question that belief, as ''many scholars'' speculate that she was just very delicate for an orc or that, instead of being half-human, Garona was related to human-like creatures from beyond the Dark Portal.Um what... even in the early RP books they said she was Half-Orcen.... it's even in her name..... She's always been considered a half-orc, it just wasn't completely clear what the other half was; beyond a possibly humanesqe race on Draenor that was missed(and female draenei's are humanoids.....). Khadgar and Medivh have a conversation about her in Last Guardian as well, with the Guardian musing about her roots, while Khadgar attempts to get more information on her(supposedly for Lothar... but I think Young Trust had a crush on her as well).
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229054
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Adamsm
If I remember correctly, the RPGs say that it was believed that Garona was half-orc half-human. But as that couldn't possibly be the case the ''scholars" and Brann Bronzebeard speculated that her other half was either that of a human-like race or that she was just a very delicate young woman (that would be Brann's theory I think).Aye... but not an Azeroth human, they speculated that there was a similar humanoid race on Draenor. As for Brann, that was his personal view on the woman herself, not a definition of her and her parentage.
There's no mentioning of the Draenei, it hardly adds to what the community supposedly knew of them before BC.I know... but there is a reference to the Draenei not all being Broken like.
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Adamsm
As for Brann, that was his personal view on the woman herself, not a definition of her and her parentage.
The way he did research for his ''books'' he could be considered a good source before the comics kicked in.Aye... but again, the Last Guardian also spoke of her as being part humanoid in addition to the Orc, and I think that book was out before any of the RP's.
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Adamsm
Well. If you have glowing eyes, hooves, face-tentacles, horns, blue skin, a tail and still look very much like humans. Imagine what else also does \o/
Well; glowing eyes and multicolour skin also describes a Night Elf... which is another human shaped being; of course, no real description was given of her mother, beyond basic idea: slim, smaller then an orc(some draenei females would be), and in Garona's own words in Last Guardian she also describes being malformed and different(and comparing her to a female orc, you see it).
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Adamsm
Well, I meant: as draenei look like humans... imagine how many things people can come up with when all they've got is ''beautiful, human-like, smaller than orcs'' as a physical description.
/shrug; well, if all you saw was a female version of one, without being able to see the horns, tail or hooves, what would you think of them? Of course, that's why they kept descriptions of Garona's mother vague; the massacre of another race was in the orc history, but they weren't sure yet what type of race that would be so they went with something that could have ended up as whatever race was chosen when the big reveal happened. Mind, I don't expect the retcon was what they had in mind for that though.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
You've opened my eyes to the fact that in no way whatsoever could there be anyone in the entire Vanilla WoW that didn't know almost everything about this race.
After all, its nearly impossible to describe a race with more than 6 keywords. It takes a genius with orgasmic writting skills for that, and dumbnut to need more than those same 6 keywords to completely visualize said race (sarcasm off).
If you actually believe that ''Beautiful, inquisitive, have magic, build cities that happen to be considered crude by someone'' is more ''half'' of all that is written on the Draenei Wowwiki page and of what was seen on the Burning Crusade then there's no point to this discussion.
In fact, following that logic the Draenei would still be severely lacking on lore even if the games were renamed to: ''Orcs and Draenei'', "Tides of Draenei", ''The Reign of the Draenei", "The Frozen Draenei", "World of Draenei", "The Draenei Crusade" and the "Wrath of the Draenei".
Because then we would have to add a word or two to describe them fully.You know...you could just
say
that you don't like the race, instead of just being irrational about the fact that some of us
do
.
You know, even back in the Last Guardian there was a reference to the Draenei; the humanoid race that Garona was believed to come from, as she has been a half-orc her entire existence. It wasn't till the comics that the half-draenei tag was added to her after all, and a lot of her descriptions of her original 'parentage'; something human like, slimmer then the orcs(which does describe the females), and her own reference to her different body shape, was probably the ground works for the original idea of the Draenei before the Broken were officially introduced.I think he's really just griping for the sake of griping at this point.
Indeed. According to the Draenei Rumor page, it was already a known fact that the Broken Draenei were once beautiful and similar to humans.As I've pointed out time and time again.
And that is clearly not much. It's so insignificant that the speculations of the very same Draenei rumor page are far from how the race was actually implemented.ITT: fan theory equals lore!
Considering that not that many people even knew of these, not very informative, facts, the belief that the modern Draenei were ''forced into lore from nowhere'' is a possibility and could justify the early QQ - which is what I believe to be the case.Explain, yes. Justify,
no
.
Lolotea is saying that ignorance cannot be an excuse nor a cause for the QQ.A cause, yes. An excuse,
no
.
Apparently ''beautiful, human like, inquisitive, magical and builders of crude cities'' is quite informative and even ''more like half'' of everything the Draenei already are.Stop putting words in my virtual mouth. My claims have been as follows:
1) The
only
actual inconsistency in the draenei backstory is the eredar retcon (which could be put down to Kil'jaeden doing what he's known for).
2) We already knew that they were attractive humanoids who were inquisitive, adept at magic, and built "crude" cities. Their exact appearance, what knowledge they seek, the nature of their magic, and exactly how crude or otherwise their architecture is? All of that is just embellishment on pre-established information.
3) We know a few specifics now, as opposed to the nebulous information that we had before; however, what we do know is incredibly sparse.
4) The previous summary of draenei lore could be stated as "they're attractive humanoids, they're inquisitive, they're adept at magic, and they build crude cities." The current summary is more like "they're attractive
if weird-looking
humanoids, they're inquisitive
but devout
, they're adept at magic
of several types, including one new to them
, and they build
imposing and rough-hewn cities that might or might not be described as crude
." So yeah—we knew almost half of the story already.
Back in 2009,
Tom Chilton said that Blizzard wanted to ''pre-seed'' any new playable races into the game
. When the Worgen and Goblin Halloween masks were revealed, Wow.com
noted that it could be the so called ''pre-seeding''
as opposed to ''way they retconned Draenei into game".And you're taking someone who claims that draenei were "retconned into the game" seriously? Perhaps they were introduced a bit too
abruptly
; still, the
only
"retcon" in regards to draenei was whether Sargeras corrupted the eredar or the other way around.
/shrug; well, if all you saw was a female version of one, without being able to see the horns, tail or hooves, what would you think of them?A viewpoint character in
Beyond the Dark Portal
compares them to somewhat-less-delicate-looking elves. Of course, that's why they kept descriptions of Garona's mother vague; the massacre of another race was in the orc history, but they weren't sure yet what type of race that would be so they went with something that could have ended up as whatever race was chosen when the big reveal happened. Mind, I don't expect the retcon was what they had in mind for that though.I've heard two different stories: either a picture of Archimonde titled "draenei.jpg" made the rounds of Blizzard HQ before someone properly identified it, or someone just thought it would be cool to play (and here, I'm paraphrasing Metzen) "lawful good eredar."
One way or another, the line about the eredar being involved in Sargeras's corruption was so petty that no one even thought about it. Then, the first nerd picked it out as something to whine about.
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Adamsm
One way or another, the line about the eredar being involved in Sargeras's corruption was so petty that no one even thought about it. Then, the first nerd picked it out as something to whine about.That I'm not sure about... mainly because the whole corruption thing falls solely on the shoulders of the Dreadlords heh.
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GVHB
One way or another, the line about the eredar being involved in Sargeras's corruption was so petty that no one even thought about it. Then, the first nerd picked it out as something to whine about.That I'm not sure about... mainly because the whole corruption thing falls solely on the shoulders of the Dreadlords heh.
As far as we know, there could have been another of the demonic races involved in the corruption of Sargeras (Pit Lords for example)
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FarseerLolotea
As far as we know, there could have been another of the demonic races involved in the corruption of Sargeras (Pit Lords for example)I was going to say that, but it looks like you've covered it. (There's also a theory involving Old Gods, but blaming the Old Gods for everything is beginning to lose its luster.)
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