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Post by
taurenmoo812
Funs take, was he made some half based assumption that Garrosh was present in all other events like the battle against the legion, or the black dragonflight, or the scourge (before wotlk) when he's a character that has only popped up absently in tbc, and now had his presenced forced down peoples necks.
Post by
Adamsm
And that's the writers fault
Post by
Monday
Funs take, was he made some half based assumption that Garrosh was present in all other events like the battle against the legion, or the black dragonflight, or the scourge (before wotlk) when he's a character that has only popped up absently in tbc, and now had his presenced forced down peoples necks.
Sorry I thought you were talking about Thrall in that only been in ICC, my bad.
However Garrosh has fought against Scourge, the Horde (under his control) were fighting the Old Gods if you think about it, and more Horde were fighting for the Kirin Tor against the Blue Flight.
Thrall has only fought against the Legion and Scourge.
I'm not saying that;s bad, I'm just pointing that out.
Post by
Denkou
I agree with Funden. Thrall has not done much in WotLk.
I'm not saying that Thrall is a bad leader. He's a
great
leader for the Horde. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool. However, I don't think Garrosh should be totally dismissed just yet. Yeah, he's done a lot of stupid things in the past and he's not exactly Mr. Role Model, but as of right now we have
no idea
how his character will grow and develop in Cataclysm. The only bit of info we have is that he's taking control of the Horde (we still don't know how). For all we know, a huge, major, life-changing event may take place before Cataclysm hits that might change Garrosh's view on things. Maybe he won't be as hot-headed as he was before. Maybe he'll be so hot-headed that his head will actually turn into a volcano and spout lava all over the place. My point is, given the extremely limited information that we have right now, one cannot simply say "Garrosh will be a terrible leader."
Post by
Adamsm
Especially as a Blue poster has said there will be a turn around for the brown skinned Orc.
Post by
taurenmoo812
I agree with Funden. Thrall has not done much in WotLk.
I'm not saying that Thrall is a bad leader. He's a
great
leader for the Horde. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool. However, I don't think Garrosh should be totally dismissed just yet. Yeah, he's done a lot of stupid things in the past and he's not exactly Mr. Role Model, but as of right now we have
no idea
how his character will grow and develop in Cataclysm. The only bit of info we have is that he's taking control of the Horde (we still don't know how). For all we know, a huge, major, life-changing event may take place before Cataclysm hits that might change Garrosh's view on things. Maybe he won't be as hot-headed as he was before. Maybe he'll be so hot-headed that his head will actually turn into a volcano and spout lava all over the place. My point is, given the extremely limited information that we have right now, one cannot simply say "Garrosh will be a terrible leader."
Its good to see a debater with a balanced view of things.
Although with the evidense of him kicking all none orcs and tauren from the centre of orgrimmar, and his push to take ashenvale forest, not to mention much darker structures then before, its enough to see he isn't going to have a calming turn around before or in cata. plus, the action figure of him speaks for itself (the one that looks like a fel orc).
Post by
Adamsm
plus, the action figure of him speaks for itself (the one that looks like a fel orc)That doesn't really prove or disprove anything; look at all the action figures out there; the Forsaken Warlock one ended up being Meryl..... and we all know how evil he is.
Post by
taurenmoo812
plus, the action figure of him speaks for itself (the one that looks like a fel orc)That doesn't really prove or disprove anything; look at all the action figures out there; the Forsaken Warlock one ended up being Meryl..... and we all know how evil he is.
Actully it proves a point of how it shows himself as the rageaholic people say he is
Post by
Adamsm
plus, the action figure of him speaks for itself (the one that looks like a fel orc)That doesn't really prove or disprove anything; look at all the action figures out there; the Forsaken Warlock one ended up being Meryl..... and we all know how evil he is.
Actully it proves a point of how it shows himself as the rageaholic people say he is
Sure he has a rage problem, still doesn't mean he's going to take the demon blood.... nothing, absolutely nothing, has been released to prove that he will.
Post by
Denkou
I agree with Funden. Thrall has not done much in WotLk.
I'm not saying that Thrall is a bad leader. He's a
great
leader for the Horde. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool. However, I don't think Garrosh should be totally dismissed just yet. Yeah, he's done a lot of stupid things in the past and he's not exactly Mr. Role Model, but as of right now we have
no idea
how his character will grow and develop in Cataclysm. The only bit of info we have is that he's taking control of the Horde (we still don't know how). For all we know, a huge, major, life-changing event may take place before Cataclysm hits that might change Garrosh's view on things. Maybe he won't be as hot-headed as he was before. Maybe he'll be so hot-headed that his head will actually turn into a volcano and spout lava all over the place. My point is, given the extremely limited information that we have right now, one cannot simply say "Garrosh will be a terrible leader."
Its good to see a debater with a balanced view of things.
Although with the evidense of him kicking all none orcs and tauren from the centre of orgrimmar, and his push to take ashenvale forest, not to mention much darker structures then before, its enough to see he isn't going to have a calming turn around before or in cata. plus, the action figure of him speaks for itself (the one that looks like a fel orc).
I have no argument about the expulsion of all non-Orc/Tauren from Orgrimmar. I don't agree with that move, either.
The push to take Ashenvale might be retaliation to the Alliance's push to take the Barrens. Screenshots of Dustwallow Marsh from the Cataclysm Alpha shows that the Alliance has set up small encampments between Theramore and the Barrens, and the road connecting the two zones is littered with Alliance banners and artillery which certainly wasn't there before. But at this time, it's hard to tell who is striking first.
The darker structures...personally, I've always thought the design of Orgrimmar could be improved. You might be right in saying that they're representative of Garrosh's inner motives, but then again, he might just be reinforcing the city to prepare for the new threats. After all, we've been away from Azeroth for two entire expansions. Now that the threat is back home again, it would only make sense to reinforce your defenses to prepare for war. But again, it's hard to tell at this point.
Regarding the action figure: I'm not sure if I'd take that seriously. There's been a lot of debate as to whether or not the Garrosh figure is a Fel Orc or not; some swear by it, others say that it's just the lighting.
Post by
Monday
it would only make sense to reinforce your defenses to
prepare for war
. But again, it's hard to tell at this point.
Fix'd.
Post by
402784
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Post by
Ritmas
Saurfang>Garrosh>Thrall
Post by
taurenmoo812
Thrall>Saurfang>Gorgonna>one of the goblin princes>kodo crap>garrosh
fixed.
count the number of posts on the 'would make a better warchief then garrosh' thread and try again
Didn't the end of the one Nagrand quest chain surrounding Dranosh hint at signs of him possibly turning into a Fel Orc? Obviously he didn't, but if the potential is there then it might indicate that Garrosh could fall victim to it.
no an orc doesn't slowly 'become' a fel orc, a fel orc is created through what you saw in hellfire citadel, through use of demonic blood.
First they got tainted by the enviroment in outland changing around them, then they drank the demon blood.
It would be intresting to see if the son becomes like the father, and garrosh does what grom did, drink the demonic blood offered to him, since the only thing he seems intrested in is power.
Post by
Rankkor
It would be intresting to see if the son becomes like the father, and garrosh does what grom did, drink the demonic blood offered to him, since the only thing he seems intrested in is power.
humm, sorry bro' but I must say no.
I know garrosh is STUPID with a capital S, but even he isn't stupid enough to drink demon blood, for one thing he woud lose all suport from every single orc there is.
bro' orcs are many things, but one thing they do NOT want to be is slaves. Have you read Lord of the Clans? orcs that drank the demon blood became apathetic, depressed, saddened, and cattle-like, squiming in the mud and their own filth, not caring about life or anyting else in particular.
that's the fate of any who drinks of demon blood (fel-blood elves who drank demon blood and then are refused became Wretched).
orcs remember well those dark days and the last thing they would want is to repeat those days.
After all it was Grom Hellscream himself who said "It is a fool who repeats the same actions, and expects a diferent outcome, and whatever I may be, I'm not a fool"
Considering how badly Garrosh admires his father I highly doubt he woud commit the very same actin that made his father a Pharia in the first place.
so tauren if no hints or indications are given that he will drink demon-blood and all lore points towards the exact oposite, then don't jump to conclutions.
I do agree that I disaprove of Garrosh's "revolution" (it reminds me painfully of real-life events I've suffered in my own Country wich is now under the iron grip of a dictator and a mad-man)
and I do believe that his actions will lead the horde to a dark path, but I simply DO NOT believe him to drink demon blood again.
every orc that is truly an orc, HATES demons with the same passion of a thousand Twillight fans.
Post by
Adamsm
and I do believe that his actions will lead the horde to a dark path, but I simply DO NOT believe him to drink demon blood again.
every orc that is truly an orc, HATES demons with the same passion of a thousand Twillight fans.I'd say more a shady path then a dark path... but we don't know everything about his reign yet heh.
Post by
Monday
every orc that is truly an orc, HATES demons with the same passion of a thousand Twillight fans.
O_o that's my line!
Post by
Rankkor
every orc that is truly an orc, HATES demons with the same passion of a thousand Twillight fans.
O_o that's my line!
Plagiarism FTW >=) MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Post by
tanne96
Not a single one of us knows a damn about the upcomming changes to Garrosh or the Horde, more then blizz has released...
So, THRALL could be the one making all the changes, shaping the city up, clearing out the races from central and then putting Hellscream on the throne and say "Sit here untill i come back"
Who knows?
And for the stuff about Horde getting to be the dark ones, In WotlK who has been the #$%^?
The Horde, Thrall? No
The Alliance, Varian Wrynn? Yes!
Thrall ( and jaina <3 ) has tryied to maintain peace, battle of undercity etc, and Varian ( and Garrosh ) has been more rage-o-holic, so the bad guys in wotlk... IMO has been the alliance so perhaps it is the hordes turn.
And dont worry i have not got a single ally char above level 10 (:
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402784
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