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Has anyone ever gotten in trouble for griefing?
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Post by
seebs
A casual scan of the various WoW forums turns up a lot of threads from people who feel they were unjustly banned. They may have gotten in trouble for "exploiting the economy", or they may have gotten hacked, or any of a number of other things.
But.
I've never, not once, seen someone complain about an unjust ban or suspension that had to do with harassement or griefing.
Can anyone offer evidence of a case in which Blizzard is known to have done anything at all about allegedly abusive or harassing behavior? Does that policy actually even really exist, or is it just there to discourage some people from trying it?
Post by
Monday
I've seen someone get banned for griefing, but it could be the GM was just @#$%ed at that guy.
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Erethzium
There was this Huntard on my server, that kept camping people in WG, standing by the vendor. He was a total noob, in ilvl 200-232 PvE gear, ungemmed and unenchanted, so it wasn't much of an issue. But the odd thing is...I killed him fifteen, read: ** 15 ** times in a row, yet he still kept coming back. If I was around the vendor, he'd go for me. If I wasn't near the vendor, he'd go for other people near the vendor. I came back the next day, and what did I find? I found him there, still trying to snipe people at the vendor.
Now that, that would probably count as harassment, but I'm pretty sure the guy was a bot, because no sane person would continue to grief, despite getting roflstomped every time.
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Erethzium
Farming bots for easy HKs/honor isn't harassment.
Read the rest of the post before posting, please. Maybe the parts that say:
kept camping people in WG, standing by the vendor
I found him there, still trying to snipe people at the vendor.
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Post by
sutasafaia
I've gotten people at least temp banned for griefing my intelligence. Hang out in Goldshire on the Moonguard server for more than a few minutes and you'll feel your intelligence being unfairly damaged as well. It's like cybersex central. Anyway, it's sorta fun to report the people doing that in general chat and then sit around for a while until your petition gets answered. Then you get to laugh as one by one you see people start vanishing.
The only case of serious griefing I ever saw was when a couple horde chars were sitting around the starting draenei city and killing all the npcs on the entire map for a couple hours, from the furbolg village all the way down to the human port. I don't know if anything ever happened to them since I just switched characters but I would assume somebody got fed up and reported them eventually.
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sutasafaia
The only case of serious griefing I ever saw was when a couple horde chars were sitting around the starting draenei city and killing all the npcs on the entire map for a couple hours, from the furbolg village all the way down to the human port. I don't know if anything ever happened to them since I just switched characters but I would assume somebody got fed up and reported them eventually.
Blizzard is very strict when it comes to this. Since there is a PvP solution, their stance on an action like that is that those players are "taunting" the enemy. But after about 5 hours (and if they're a significant force, IE: 20-40), you can start calling it "griefing".
I have to wonder about this honestly. If it's not on a PvP server I would think you can get in trouble a bit faster than five hours. Considering it disrupts the game for every single person trying to level in that area I would think that if a few low level players complained, especially if no higher level people were coming to help out and get rid of the PvPers, that Blizz would at least tell the ones killing the NPC's to find some other entertainment.
Post by
Kailhun
I don't pay enough attention to other players to notice whether they've been banned or not. I suspect griefing a GM's toons gets you banned fairly quickly though.
Wow is not as severe when it comes to enforcing rules. Not in the sense that GM's don't use the banhammer or that Blizz ignores people breaking the rules, but in the sense that anti-social behaviour isn't automatically punished.
For example:
- if someone has e.g. 50 reports within an hour, he get's auto-banned for e.g. an hour or two; BB goldseller.
- if someone kills a (n)pc more than 5 levels lower he loses a percentage in experience. Relatively more as the difference in level increases. Lose enough experience and you lose levels.
There are some auto-sanctions, of course such as the 'deserter-buff' in battlegrounds and LFD.
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Post by
MasterOutlaw
- if someone kills a (n)pc more than 5 levels lower he loses a percentage in experience. Relatively more as the difference in level increases. Lose enough experience and you lose levels.
Losing experience for killing lower level characters might deter griefers somewhat, but it also makes defending yourself against attackers undesirable (in fact, it might make griefing worse if someone knows they can find people to camp who'll refuse to defend themselves in fear of losing their levels).
There are plenty of times when lower level players decided to attack me or I wandered too close to the opposing faction's guards and was forced to end a few lives before I could make my escape. It would absolutely suck if I had to eat an experience loss because of it. There are very few things that can make me quit overall good games, but losing experience because I
didn't
let someone kill me is certainly something that would rub me the wrong way.
It's difficult to find a proper and strong enough deterrence to keep people from griefing without unintentionally impacting legit players who don't roam around trying to ruin someone's day. It's unlikely we'll ever see some kind of real form of immediate punishment for pvp-related griefing which is unfortunate.
Post by
seebs
It's not that I'm worried, it's that I wish they
would
do something. No offense to the "hardcore griefer", but honestly, if you were permabanned, the game would be more fun for more people, and would be a better game. It's supposed to be fun. Making it unfun for people sort of undermines that.
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Post by
xanthax
I've had a few tanks run into a dungeon, pull a couple of groups, then leave on purpose. I report them every time. Its pretty obnoxious when you have to wait for over 15 minutes to get a tank, then someone like that shows up.
I've never been banned for griefing, but I did get a three hour ban once because my mule's guild was called <CanANagaGetATableDance>. No warnings or anything, just banned.
Post by
Synectics
The only case of serious griefing I ever saw was when a couple horde chars were sitting around the starting draenei city and killing all the npcs on the entire map for a couple hours, from the furbolg village all the way down to the human port. I don't know if anything ever happened to them since I just switched characters but I would assume somebody got fed up and reported them eventually.
Blizzard is very strict when it comes to this. Since there is a PvP solution, their stance on an action like that is that those players are "taunting" the enemy. But after about 5 hours (and if they're a significant force, IE: 20-40), you can start calling it "griefing".
Read:
from the furbolg village all the way down to the human port
They weren't killing Alliance NPC's, therefore never flagging up (assuming PvE server) and not allowing players to do their quests. I've seen players get banned for such behavior, such as repeatedly killing an NPC that's needed for a quest.
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