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omenofd
Int and haste are both yellow.
It is either/or.
Blizzard wants to throw crit into our healing gear. If they only give us haste and mana regen, we have infinite mana and cast chain heal every one second. with a 1 second GDC.
Haste lets you get that chain heal out there faster, and mana regen makes up for the increased need for mana when you stack high amount of haste. Having too much of that state means we never run out of mana and don't need to worry about fights running for too long.
They want to force us to mix and match and debate over is 'this' better than 'that' because I gain/loose X stat of stat A/B.
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omenofd
The problem with gemming for mana regen is that you get so little mana regen per gem, and who wants to waste sockets on blue gems?
Int increases your total mana, a bigger battery lasts longer, and even while casting our mp/5 based regen lets us keep that regeneration while casting.
Increasing your total mana aso increases your base mana regen.
Increasing int gives more crit, and therefore more more Water Shield procs, as well as the other default and talent based advantages.
Talents make int give us more bonus healing.
On top of helping us keep our mana pool going, it provides many helpful buffs.
Haste stacking is not meant for LHW. A shorter spell benefits less from haste. It is already quick, why try to make it quicker? Haste stacking is useful for longer spells, chain heal and Healing Wave. (Healing wave is fail even with talents and glyphs BTW.)
I would stop stacking haste when CH is as fast as LHW.
As your mana pool gets larger there is no changes.
As it has been said before your options are either;
A. I have enough mana regen to last through fights.
In this case gem haste.
B. I start asking for innervate long before the boss is dead.
In this case gem Int.
Once again haste stacking only applies for chain spam. If you want to focus more on healing a tank your stats are
SP > crit > int > mp/5 > haste
For chain spam, you are healing the raid more often and the majority of the raid will not have massive HP and therefore SP is limited, too much gives overheals and since you are not using HW it is not as effective.
Also, never gem to match gem slots unless they are meta or yellow. You can use multi colored gems to full your meta requirements into items that give a socket bonus of mana regen or haste, but after getting your meta gem activated, only yellow provides a worthwhile boost.
I know I make these posts long. I am just trying to share my knowledge and experience in this area. If you want to know all the details you can read about the individual stats and how they work
here
or go over theory crafting on elistist jerks.
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MegaVolt
yellow: 20 haste
red: 12 spellpower / 10 haste in every red socket, no matter how good or bad the bonus is
blue: 20 haste or 10 haste / 5 mp5 if the socket bonus is at least 7 spellpower
Haste is exactly as valuable for LHW as it is for CH. Gaining 1% haste allows you to cast 1% more spells in a given time frame, it does not matter at all which one you cast. 1% haste always gives you a 1% increase in (unhasted) throughput. Until you hit the GCD cap of course.
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tomgc
Haste is exactly as valuable for LHW as it is for CH. Gaining 1% haste allows you to cast 1% more spells in a given time frame, it does not matter at all which one you cast. 1% haste always gives you a 1% increase in (unhasted) throughput. Until you hit the GCD cap of course.
Raid healing Shamans stack haste partially because so many people can die during the cast of a chain heal. I just don't think that sort of thing happens so much with LHW. In theory both spells will get the same HPS increase from haste but CH will get more benefit when you're playing due to heal sniping, people not dying during a cast and faster procs of tidal waves.
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skribs
Let's just take untallented for a minute and assume you have a 3 sec cast HW vs. a 1.5 sec cast LHW. 25% haste would bring those down to 2.4 sec and 1.2 sec, respectively. So now your HW is getting -0.6 sec and LHW -0.3 sec, but for the same casting time (say, 60 sec) you gain an additional 5 HW's and 10 LHWs. So you get more LHWs by stacking haste than you do HW's.
You can compare them in different ways, the fact is 20% haste gives all your abilities the same benefit, until the haste cap anyway.
Also, HW is not a useless ability. I find it funny when a shaman will refuse to use HW or refuse to use LHW. They both have their place, a good shaman knows when to use one over the other instead of deciding to remove one from their rotation.
Tank healing on a shaman will pretty much only be better than tank healing on a holy priest. But often you'll find you have 3 tanks and only one pally/druid/disc (that can be trusted with heals anyway). Even then, I agree the faster you're casting on the tank the more likely you are to land effective heals.
Here's how I will gem my shaman (and it's different from other classes I play):
Yellow - Haste+SP
Red - Haste+SP (same as yellow because you get an extra 1 SP compared to a 20 haste + a 23 SP gem)
Blue - Best socket bonus blue slot SP+MP/5, other slots SP+Haste.
However I'd shift a big focus to int if I needed mana regen. Int = bigger pool to start, replenishment, mana tide, and slight crit.
This is different from my Holy Pally who does:
Yellow - Int
Red - Int
Blue - Int
(With 1 nightmare tear in the biggest bonus non-yellow slot)
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skribs
Vix, I'm glad I didn't gem my shaman's gear yet (well, I havent gotten his gear yet, focusing on other toons atm).
Which would you recommend for mainly 5-mans and 10-mans? Haste-based or haste-SP based?
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RelurSH
For those that say that it isn't all about haste, you are right. Haste is not the only thing that you need to worry about. However provided you have around 40% crit and 3000ish spellpower haste is the most valuable stat for a resto Shaman up to and even past the LHW "soft cap."
This is why I personally choose to ignore non-haste socket bonuses in favor of the higher HEP values.
When it comes down to it, it is completely your choice on how to gem. You just have to ask yourself if you really want to maximize your potential.
Are you tank healing?
You probably don't need as much haste.
Are you raid healing?
Haste is your best friend.
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