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Frost tank aoe better than pally!
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woohaa
well if your friend switched out his glyphs and decided to go full aoe then i can believe he's pulling off the paly. yes i know they do extra dmg to undead however it also sounds like the paly is glyphed for more single target threat and not aoe. which yes it is possible on a paly.
GoDP
GoSoV
GoJ
Also if you spec reckoning and go for more single target threat your aoe does suffer a bit.
you have to think if the dk is glyphed for HB and DnD and has the t10 bonus that gives dnd a lot of extra threat.
tundra stalker
,
glyph of DnD
,
Black Ice
,
2pt10 bonus
. you gotta admit that's alot of multipliers. most people only have tundra stalker and black ice and since most raid tanks don't have glyph of HB they don't apply frost fever before putting down DnD so the extra threat isn't there.
never heard of a tank glyphing into icytouch though that's kinda different (haha i'm gonna try that for fun) more aoe threat but i honestly don't know how much of a increase in threat it is.
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woohaa
well i guess everyone answered for me o.o
anyway to answer about consecrate.
0.0 Holy Shield (9)
1.5 Hammer of the Righteous (6)
3.0 Judgement (9)
4.5 Shield of Righteousness (6)
6.0 Consecration (9)
7.5 Hammer of the Righteous (6)
9.0 Holy Shield (9)
10.5 Shield of Righteousness (6)
12.0 Judgement (9)
13.5 Hammer of the Righteous (6)
15.0 Consecration (9)
16.5 Shield of Righteousness (6)
18.0 Holy Shield (9) ... and repeat.
this is the
standard 96969 rotation
this was taken from maintankadin which is where i got the glyph info too. as you can see glyphing into consecrate increases the duration to 10 sec which would inturn upset their rotation.
i know we have this crazy idea that palys can single target and aoe...which is the same idea everyone has about our dnd. but yes palys have single target raid specs and trash/heroic specs. if you don't believe me do a prot spec and get seal of command. you'll find you can't get somethings you'd like to for single target or raids.
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woohaa
i'm not trash talking...i'm informing. also i did check the cds on the skills. yes some of skills have a 8sec cd which they put in place of the 9sec.
0.0
Holy Shield
(9)
1.5
Hammer of the Righteous
(6)
3.0
Judgement
(9)
talented reduces to 9sec
4.5
Shield of Righteousness
(6)
6.0
Consecration
(9)
7.5
Hammer of the Righteous
(6)
9.0
Holy Shield
(9)
10.5
Shield of Righteousness
(6)
12.0
Judgement
(9)
talented reduces to 9sec
13.5
Hammer of the Righteous
(6)
15.0
Consecration
(9)
16.5
Shield of Righteousness
(6)
18.0
Holy Shield
(9) ... and repeat.
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Post by
woohaa
the palys i ran with when i was tanking i usually always pulled most of the aoe agro when i'm in my aoe spec. the moment you pull off of them they lose some of their threat. they lose the threat from
ret aura
and
holy shield
. yeah it's not a ton of dmg but that's how palys threat works. every little bit of holy dmg helps. they'd usually always aoe taunt when i'd pull off though lol bastids
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Thror
they'd usually always aoe taunt when i'd pull off though lol bastids
Dont diss pallies for taunting off you. They need things to hit them to regenerate mana. You as a DK do not have a resource that can run out, so let them have some aggro too. The result will be more raid damage and perhaps less downtimes.
Frost, when specced and glyphed hard for AoE, plus with the T10 bonus... would imo have better AoE than paladins. The reason why paladin AoE is superior to DKs though is, that a DK has to spec and glyph for AoE to reliably overaggro a single-target raid-specced paladin.
Zakkhar, pallies still use the standard 96969 rotation, nothing has changed about that.
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woohaa
lol i'm not dissing pallys just the particular palies i played with. and most geared tanks don't get any mana from trash mobs. they need to actually take dmg then get healed for that dmg to regen any thru
spiritual attunement
. so what most paly tanks do is use
divine plea
which benefits greatly from this
talent
.
so regardless if their tanking the mob they can regen their mana. as long as they have something to hit their mana is almost limitless.
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Thror
Divine plea by itself is not fast enough to supply an infinite flowing attack rotation. The mana paladins gain from Spiritual Attunement is okay, but its definitely not a main source of mana... most paladin raiding builds dont even have it maxed. The best mana regenerating ability for a pally tank is Blessing of Sanctuary, which does require you to get hit.
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AnrDaemon
Thror, it's not exactly true. BoS is king only in trash pulls, where you get hit multiple times in a row.
I can give you an example I hope you're very familiar with.
The 2-dudes Vrykul patrols in HoL, in room before Loken. Titanium Vanguard or whatever they are called. If you take them 2 only, it's not enough of a damage source to replenish your mana. BoS+DP+JoW combined. Even taking in count that i'm not uncritable in 3.0 instances, and sometimes receive hits that not fully mitigated by block, even SA not add enough of a return to cope with mana leak. Only way to keep mana in this fight is to cease Consecration.
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