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Level 50 prot glyphs question
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marklartank
i don't think the devastate glyph would be worthwhile at level 50; you're better off with cleaving instead of TC.
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Squishalot
Devastate is better for faster single target threat, but not necessary, considering at lower levels, early threat isn't an issue after the first Devastate in the first place.
I run with Revenge / Devastate, at the moment, but I'm planning on swapping out Devastate for Cleaving as soon as I get around to it. The problem with Resonating Power is that it's still a cooldown based ability - you can't get extra AoE threat from it.
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razzem
I ran with Revenge for my first glyph, and was glad that I had it at lower levels.... free HS is rad when you are low level.
When you are doing dungeons, though, most of the time you are Cleaving and TCing on CD. Therefore I run with Cleave and Resonating Power and absolutely love them. I didn't think that I'd have Resonating Power for as long as I have, but it's SO so nice to get a TC off at the start of a fight when you have almost no rage. Very under-rated glyph.
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razzem
Not sure what you are driving at but glyph of revenge makes your next HS cost no rage. That's awesome at lower levels.
As far as resonating power, you can say what you like, but when running lowbie dungeons and cleaving every swing and TC every CD, 5 less rage cost is a big deal. You may not like it it or have tried it leveling, but I have and it is quite helpful. For dungeon leveling, which is what this guy is talking about, it's a good glyph.
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marklartank
Not sure what you are driving at but glyph of revenge makes your next HS cost no rage. That's awesome at lower levels.
As far as resonating power, you can say what you like, but when running lowbie dungeons and cleaving every swing and TC every CD, 5 less rage cost is a big deal. You may not like it it or have tried it leveling, but I have and it is quite helpful. For dungeon leveling, which is what this guy is talking about, it's a good glyph.
what i think zakkhar is getting at is the "hidden" cost of using HS since your next swing that would have generated rage now does not. a lot of people don't understand that.
it doesn't make so much difference in raids since offensive rage generation is pathetic when tanking at 80, but you will notice the loss at lower levels.
and as you said yourself, you are cleaving every swing, which makes HS irrelevant anyway.
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Thror
Oh man, i wish my warriors melee swings would produce 9-15 rage. Pity its more in the range of 2-6.
I can not imagine in which dungeon does the tank get hit so hard that he can cleave every swing and TC every cooldown. I am lvl 50, and Sunken Temple, BRD and Maraudon still leave me with like three out of five global cooldowns used for some offensive ability. I can not even dream about cleave.
I think every glyph that somehow saves rage is useful at low levels. You dont need glyph of cleaving, TC is enough to hold AoE. Same with glyph of Sunder Armor. The glyphs that add more flashy to your abilities are nice, but glyphs that enable you to use abilities more often are far better imo.
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Thror
Meh. Not having enough resource to fuel all the attacks i would possibly like to use =/= hard gameplay. Things still die bloody fast, and aggro is still mine.
I was just saying that at low rage scales the rage cost reduction glyphs are pretty good. Sure they are a total waste at lvl 80.
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razzem
Naw, Z, I get the mechanic. It's just like Maul and Heroic Strike. It replaces the autoattack, and you don't generate rage from it. It's a rage dump. Its good of you to point that out for people that don't get it, but don't forget that it still saves you the upfront *cost* of HS, which is still a good chunk of rage.
Leveling in dungeons is all about aoe, and your 2 biggest hitters/threat-holders are cleave and Thunderclap.
Using Glyph of Resonating Power saves
5 rage every 6 seconds
. To compare, Anger Management gives
2 rage every 6 seconds
(converting from 1 rage per 3). So if you want to look at from a numbers point of view, this glyph is worth 2.5 talent points if you use TC every CD.
Leveling in dungeons, you do use TC every CD. At least I do. Therefore, it is a worthwhile glyph. If you have better suggestions for leveling glyphs, I'd love to hear them, because I couldn't find any for prot that were any better by a long shot.
edit: I can not imagine in which dungeon does the tank get hit so hard that he can cleave every swing and TC every cooldown. You need to pull more :P Seriously though, sometimes I'll run out of rage cleaving away on packs, but then I use Berserker Rage to gain more back. I really, really like glyph of cleave for leveling because it can make up for weak dps as well, not to mention that several dps classes don't get there aoe until late in the game (cat druids come to mind).
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razzem
Z, like you said, you leveled during BC. It's a different story now with the new looking for dungeon tool.
Yeah, to hold threat against mages and warlocks (and the moonkins that are cropping up) in dungeons, yeah, I'm using it every CD. You cant hold aggro against them if you don't.
You can try to reduce the numbers, but it's really not a competition. At 50 you'll have focused rage ALSO. The point of AM was to give an idea on how much rage it saves, which is a lot. edit: And no matter how you try to slice it, I'd rather save 5 rage every six second than get 1 rage every 3 seconds.
You are right on bosses, it isn't getting you as much, BUT, for all the instances from 20-80, how much time will be spent on Trash vs Bosses? 10% on bosses at most. And most likely much, much less.
I don't get what your beef is really. It's like you're trying to correct people who are leveling even though you don't offer any alternatives. We are talking about leveling, and it's like you're talking about min/maxing against raid bosses. The OP is talking about LEVEL 50 and about what glyphs to use as prot.
So why don't you suggest something since you are speaking with such authority on the subject? I await your 2 prot glyphs for dungeon leveling. Please, show me what you would choose.
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