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The problem with tanks during leveling is that they all seem to spec themselves for dps. I almost fell out of my chair when I ran into a warrior with a shield one time.
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When FoF procs during blizzard you will only use a charge on it when you start channeling the NEXT blizzard spell (Assuming you channel blizzard again) and it will effect the entire spell, i.e. each wave for the duration of the channeling.
That might be the way it used to work back in the day, but it doesn't work that way now. I've seen FoF proc and clear in the middle of channeling Blizzard many times.
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You refering to the purchase or the spell buttons?
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When FoF procs during blizzard you will only use a charge on it when you start channeling the NEXT blizzard spell (Assuming you channel blizzard again) and it will effect the entire spell, i.e. each wave for the duration of the channeling.
That might be the way it used to work back in the day, but it doesn't work that way now. I've seen FoF proc and clear in the middle of channeling Blizzard many times.
Unless you can pull patch notes to prove otherwise i believe what i say is still correct, the tooltip reads "...which treats your next 2 spells
cast
..."
and while i dont pay much attention to anecdotal evidence ive seen FoF stay up and unused for the entire blizzard duration.
cue Stnly to come in and clear this up.
Edit1: On the other hand if you are casting two consecutive blizzards what you could be seeing is an FoF that proc'd during the first, use one charge on the next and simply expire during that second blizzard without using the second charge.
I know you don't put much faith in anecdotal evidence, but from what I understand, the mechanics of FoF apply the charge differently, depending on whether you have Frostbite in your spec.
If you have 0/3 Frostbite, it will apply the proc to
the next damage you do
, not the next cast, unlike what the tooltip says. This allows you to obtain a 'ghost' charge after your second Frostbolt.
If you have x/3 Frostbite, it will apply the proc to the next cast you do, unless you're channeling a damage spell, in which case, it will apply the proc to the next damage you do.
FoF can proc off damage on the 3rd tick of Blizzard (just say), and be used up by the 4th and 5th ticks, and can subsequently reproc on the 6th tick (and be used up on the 7th and 8th ticks), meaning that you'll get the increased crit from Shatter on ticks 4, 5, 7 and 8.
Port to
Menethil Harbour
Theramore and use Blizzard on the 6 target dummies there for max chance of FoF proc'age. You'll see it pretty quickly.
Edit: Just tried it just then. Launched Blizzard at 6 target dummies in close proximity. Looks like I was wrong, but not the way you might think.
Results from my combat log:
Tick 1: Blizzard hits test dummy x6. Two Frostbite procs, meaning I get FoF and it's refreshed.
Tick 2: Blizzard hits test dummy x6. FoF fades from me. No Frostbite procs.
Tick 3: Blizzard hits test dummy x6. One Frostbite proc, meaning I get FoF.
Tick 4: Blizzard hits test dummy x6. One Frostbite proc, FoF is refreshed.
Tick 5: Blizzard hits test dummy x6. FoF fades. One Frostbite proc, FoF is gained.
Tick 6: Blizzard hits test dummy x6. FoF fades. One Frostbite proc, FoF is gained.
... and ticks 7 and 8 I'm not sure about, since I just got disconnected and lost my combat log =_=;;
It appears that since each tick of damage doesn't occur exactly simultaneously, FoF can be blown away by a single tick of Blizzard on 2+ targets. But it will also reproc off all those targets too.
Edit 2: Realised I typed 'Menethil Harbour' when I meant 'Theramore'. Note to self - no more late night posts.
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Squishalot
Yeah, my Blizzard crit rate was pretty high, well above my normal rate (of like 15%). Not +50%, I don't think, but that makes sense, since there were a couple of ticks without a proc.
And they removed the ghost charge effect, the charge is used when you cast FB not when it strikes.
Not according to a comment on the FoF page. Charge usage on cast appears only to be if you have Frostbite - for those without Frostbite, he believes it's still charge on strike. I have Frostbite, meaning I can't test the ghost charge theory. But even then, my experience with Blizzard isn't entirely consistent with anything, since FoF is supposed to proc on cast (i.e. when you start channeling) and supposed to be used up on cast (i.e. when you start channeling).
Have a go at the test dummies and test it out, and see what you think. I'm just providing my feedback.
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Like I said, I've observed FoF proc and clear repeatedly while using Blizzard. I believe it is working as intended, but it looks fishy. It is as if every Blizzard hit on a target is an independent 'casted' spell as far as FoF is concerned.
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Squishalot
By the FoF page you mean wowhead's FoF page?
And i went and actually found the change in the patch notes for 3.3.0. It consumes the charge on cast.
Basicly what your saying is "I know what the patch notes and tooltip says but i dont think thats true"
I do mean Wowhead's FoF page, and I am saying that. FoF hasn't followed the tooltips (hell, hasn't followed the dev's plan at all) properly since day 1.
I'm surprised you have that much faith in them at all, to be honest. Blizzard has been... somewhat lax, shall we say, with tooltip updating over the years.
Keep in mind if you're seeing what you posted in your combat log you arnt seeing charges used, you are seeing the effect fade (Can be caused by the buff duration running out OR using the charges).
Buff duration obviously isn't running out, so I'm presuming it's using the charges, and that's reinforced by abnormally high crit rates, which is evidence 'frozen' behaviour. Of course, it could be because I have Frostbite as well, so the targets themselves are actually frozen, but the crit rates are still abnormally high, since I should only get higher crit rates on those targets with Frostbite active, not all 6 test dummies.
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