Need advice/rating on raidtanking

Post by JhonnyDoe

Hi.

I would love to get some rating on my tank gear, talents and glyphs for raiding.

I will mainly go for Ony10/25, TotC10/25 and ICC10.. is there anything in my talent build I should change for a more "raid-only" approach? Same goes for Glyphs.. anything I might need to change?

And for the gear.. am I geared enough for TotC25 and ICC10? anything I should try and improve? certain stats or so?
(I know I have too much +hit, trying to get a new trinket instead of the http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47734)

Here is my armory:
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Spinebreaker&cn=Methar

I know its a lot of questions but I would be happy to get some feedback on this.

Thank you

*forgott to ask.. whats the best enchant on a 2H wep for a bear tank? 110ap or mongoose? or something else?

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Post by JhonnyDoe

yes, the Black Heart trinket would be a "stat-upgrade" for me but it will lower my gearscore, rendering me unwanted for raids.. (freaking hate GS.. my server uses it all the time)
as for the trinket.. is http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45509 really better for me as tank than http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47668? because the 200dodge procs constantly..
(I know, I cant link properly...)

Post by hashmel

Replace Mark of Supremacy with Black Heart asap.
Mongoose has been, is, and will be the best bear tanking chant till a new one comes out.
Get Greater Inscription of the Gladiator for the shoulders, it's the best shoulder chant out there as a non-scribe.
You're well over the exp soft cap, I'd change the glove chant to a Heavy Borean Armor Kit.

Yes, Mutilation is better than Corrupter, it grants more avoidance and has a much more reliable uptime. (Mutilation is the #1 aoe tanking idol and 2nd best only to Crying Moon for single target tankage)

The spec looks great. (given I've seen 6 different posts with people having 3/3 Imp Mangle and no MS or KotJ yesterday)

After dropping Mark of Supremacy you'll only have a ~2.68% chance to miss with FFF, Demo/Challenging Roar, and Growl so unless you're absolutely paranoid I'd swap Glyph of Growling to Glyph of Survival Instincts.

Best of luck to you mate.

Post by JhonnyDoe

Thank you very much for you input Hashmel. Will go and do some changes.
But how about the "am I rdy for ICC10 tanking"? what u guys think? (after I have done the suggested upgrades that hashmel said)

Post by LookOut

I myself would also advise you to get the T9 helmet, T9 gloves and the necklace from Emblems of Conquest. The gloves have way more stam than the ToC ones, and it will make up for the hit loss of the helmet.

Why the helmet? expertise. Even though 31 is above the dodge cap, I myself never go below 35. Plus you get the 2set, which is pretty nice :)

I'm not too fond of using agi jewelry for tanking, that's why I suggest the EoC necklace.

There are 10man-only guilds, and they progress just fine. You're in toc10 level gear, so you should do fine as well imo. At least as an offtank. Fester might hurt a bit though, not sure. Your hp is a bit low, but without a stam trinket I guess that makes kinda sense.

Post by Fujahza

i was going to link my druid but apparently i dont exist on the armory atm. i see alot of bears go for omen of carity and the shape shift specialization (honoestly it doesnt appeal to me that much its doesnt seem that good to me for the points spent to get it)
but back to my point ,
i would suggest taking improved mangle the second and a half extra mangling may not seem like alot faster but once u get used to the rotation you will see a remarkable improvement in your threat gen i forget which other choices i made atm (once i am back up on the armory take a glance at starhoof ,server llane, guild dark vengence and compaire between the specs with my own spec i will be trading out points in improved bash for furor)

Post by JhonnyDoe

I checked your profile.. You have 2/2 in shredding attacks..?
that seems very uneccesary when running raids cause, atleast me, rage is never a problem.
You also have 3/3 KotJ? care to elaborate that one? do you use enrage all the time it is up? Because I only use it when needed and then that one does seem like waist of points..
No point in SI? you never end up in situations when that oh #¤#"% button is needed? I use it pretty often as a pre-emptive defense when I see a rather huge attack coming from bosses.. take some load of the healers.. I use barkskin and FR in the same way so they rotate, ending with always one or two of the off CD.

I can agree on the OoC.. I rly dont need it anymore now that I mainly run raids.. gonna change it for something else..

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Post by Thror

You also have 3/3 KotJ? care to elaborate that one? do you use enrage all the time it is up? Because I only use it when needed and then that one does seem like waist of points..
I use Enrage all the time. KotJ is an awesome TPS and DPS increase. Its good to time it with Tricks of the Trade too, during a Festergut fight, i get ToT everytime they are up, and use Enrage every two ToTs. (ToT has a 30s, Enrage a 60s CD)

You know, once your TPS is so high that 9k+ dps guys only get to 60% of your threat, and you took all the survivability talents, you can focus on your bear dps a bit. Improved Mangle sucks. Messes up the Fearie Fire rotation, and +1 mangle once in a while is nothing. A flat 10% damage bonus is awesome. It increases all the damage you do, and scales with other offensive abilities.

Post by JhonnyDoe

Improved Mangle sucks. Messes up the Fearie Fire rotation

hmm.. Faerie Fire rotation? Do you use FF in your rotation and in what way do you incoorporate it? and for what purpose?
I basically just FFF - Stack Lacerate to 5 - Mangle.. Keep 5 lacerates and mangle every CD. Rinse and repeat..
I got Maul on macro with lacerate and with mangle so that is why I dont mention that..

nothin else in my rotation..

Post by Thror

I use a 4-GCD TPS rotation.

If i need to stack lacerate i go:
Mangle - Fearie fire - Lacerate - Lacerate (repeat)

If lacerate is stacked an there is no need to refresh it, i go:
Mangle - Fearie Fire - Swipe - Swipe

If Lacerate needs a refresh i go:
Mangle - Fearie Fire - Lacerate - Swipe

The 4GCD max TPS rotation is always Mangle-FF-filler-filler.

There is also a 3GCD rotation, when you have imp Mangle. Its Mangle-filler-filler, and FFF whenever possible. But its far worse imo.

I do about 10-12k sustained TPS when fully buffed.

Post by JhonnyDoe

hmm... this acctually seems like a really nice rotation! Gonna have to check it out! It involves abit more thinking too than my "bash that button as fast as you can" rotation and thats nice.. get to use the old cells.. ^^

So this must mean that FF does more TPS than Swipe?
or else it would just be Mangle - (ref. lac) - Swipe - swipe - swipe?

Do you have Maul macro´ed to all three abilities? or do you mash that by itself?

when I go to armory to check on someone.. is there a way to see both his/hers set of gear? many times when someone link a bear to me and I go to check it I see their resto or boom gear... cant figure out how to see the other set.. =/

Post by Thror

Feral FF is the highest TPS ability you have, after Mangle and Maul.

I have Maul bound separately to number 1, not macroed into anything else.

The only way to see someones offspec gear i know of is to check him out on WoW-heroes. If the person ever logged off in their off-spec equipment, and uploaded it into WoW-heroes, it will be saved in their profile there. You can check someones offspec by clicking on the other talent spec in his profile.

The site i am talking about is www.wow-heroes.com . i know i didnt describe the way to check someones equipment very thoroughly, but uhh, that would take too much typing D: Try to figure it out :3

Post by JhonnyDoe

ok, I see.. will try an incoorporate FFF in my rotation in the future I think =)

Think I can figure it out on Wow-heroes =)

Thank you very much for all the help!

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Post by hashmel

KotJ offers 2.5% dps if used every 60 seconds, MS offers 4% (recapping)

KotJ takes 3 talent points, MS takes 5 talent points.

KotJ offers 0.83% per talent point, MS offers 0.8% per talent point.

So long as Enrage is used every 60~62 seconds KotJ offers superior dps per point than MS

MS offers marginally higher overall dps and that's it.
KotJ offers additional utility, a larger mana reduction to shifting, and superior burst damage when it'll matter all at the cost of only marginally lower overall dps.

He may have wanted a 100% proc from Furor with his 2 spare talents from KotJ which is perfectly fine.
I personally invest my last 2 into Brutal Impact for a more reliable stun/interrupt. (soloing/incompetent dps with Spell Flingers about/pvp)
Another bear might care for Nurturing Instinct so they don't go oom healing themselves solo.
Another may want Shredding Attacks if they often go cat in their tanking spec.
You get the idea.

Post by Thror

I've been wondering about that myself. KotJ gives a +2.5% average DPS/TPS bonus, assuming you use it with 100% of possible uptime and 100% time on target with the buff up, while master shapeshifter gives a constant +4% DPS/TPS increase regardless of time on target. I have MS right now, is there really any reason to switch to KotJ?

Also why 5/5 furor, isn't that unnecessary waste? There's 0 practical benefit from maxing furor, unless I'm missing something.
I guess you are not talking about my talent build. I have both KotJ and MS, and i only have 3/5 furor.

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