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Why is there no love for the Draenei
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Post by
Patty
So I believe that saying "all Draenei" fit the cookie cutter layout of complete holinessThey've lost a vast majority of their race many times to corruption. First Sargeras with the Eredar, then the fleeing across the cosmos and owing their survival to the Naaru, the Orcs commiting genocide against them, the broken and lost ones. I think this is a huge "cleansing of bad elements".
all Undead Priests can only roll Shadow. It's just not gonna happen.Holy magic actually harms and destroys undead, nothing about their intention will change that.
Post by
Cyonisper
every race gets a new class except draenei
Well...
Draenei shouldn't be able to play Warlocks, they escaped the Demons of Outland, why would they go back?
As for Rogues, Try putting on 300 lbs. Put on wooden shoes and try to sneak up on someone...
And Druids... Well that I can't comment on, however the Draenei (I.E. Space Aliens) do NOT strike me as someone who is in touch with the Earth Mother, or The Moon.
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Adamsm
Plus when they were the Eredar, they were all powerful spell casters, (and still are since they just technically changed their name to Draenei) so I don't see how this knowledge can just disappear from the Draenei race. So if they were all powerful spellcasters, then I imagine they would know how to do demonic magics and black magics.
Meaning they could technically be warlocks.
However the choice is still there if they wanted to practice unholy arts, especially since the Draenei are apparently huge into revenge, especially against the orcs. To whom (from what lore says) they would go completely and utterly out of their way to destroy, which may, in turn, lead them back to unholy magics...Number 1 heh; Velen and the Naaru have forgiven the Orcs, and most of the Draenei are following their examples, there are still some who would want to kill the orcs of course, but for the most part, they've forgiven them for what they did under the Blood Curse.
2: Yes, they were all Magi on Argus... but they had no 'dark' magic, it was all arcane. That's what drew Sargeras to Argus, the use of all that pure power, similar to the Well on Azeroth. When Kil'jaeden and Archimonde fell, they and their followers were converted in Man'ari, and the rise of fel magic among the Eredar began. Velen, with the help of the Naaru, escaped with his own followers, and were kept free of the Fel taint. During the Battle of Shattrah and the Temple of Karabor, the orcs used some gas weapon laced with fel energy; that's what started the Broken and Lost One conversion, so I doubt the Draenei will ever pick up the darker magics as they know too well what happens with it.
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Adamsm
I don't remember it saying anywhere that the only used arcane magics. What I remember reading is that they had a natural affinity for magic in all its formsFel magic only comes from the Nether, and they weren't exposed to it till the Corruption.
This is true, they do all know to well what happens with it, however after seeing what happened to the Draenei race don't you think the other races would be a little leery as well? They are, but they still practice it...
And plus, if the Draenei were so against the dark magics they shouldn't have joined the Alliance in the first place since they do, in fact, have races that have warlocks.
They can't be too against it if they allow themselves to work along side of it. Black magic is black magic even if it used for a good cause...Well, there first meeting was with the Night Elves, and they have no warlocks, then they met the humans, and there weren't any warlocks with them at the time... could keep going on but I won't. Only thing that can really be said is this: If the Naaru say something must happen, the Draenei will do it. So, even if their are things they despise in the new Alliance (and don't forget, Paladins hate Warlocks and Mages for the Church of Light), they'll do as their friends who kept them semi-safe for all these years ask.
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Adamsm
Why can't the Draenei practice both Holy and Unholy magic...Because if any of them fell to Fel Magics the others would either exile him or kill him. Fel Magic is against the Draenei code of Life now...... And if your talking about Shadow, that's game play mechanics, same as the Undead using Holy magic.
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Adamsm
Because if any of them fell to Fel Magics the others would either exile him or kill him
Fel magic was used against them, thus turning them into the Broken ones. Not them wielding the Fel energy and becoming the Broken ones...
Also it doesn't say anywhere that they would fall to the Fel energy if the used it themselves...
Plus if your going along this line of thought, they why don't the Undead race exile or kill those that join up for Holy magic rather than their Shadow magic? Same deal, different race.
And if your talking about Shadow,
that's game play mechanics
, same as the Undead using Holy magic.
Exactly.
If the game play mechanics allow other races to do things that in lore they are not allowed to do, they why is that not acceptable when it comes to the Draenei race?
The Broken who are allied with the Draenei and the Alliance aren't Warlocks, they don't use the power of the Fel magics. Those Lost Ones who do use it, are the enemies of all races. And all races fall to fel magic if they use it.. that's why warlocks are mainly enemies or seen as 'dark heroes', untrustworthy to those who walk the path of the right.
Undead don't use holy magic lore wise; the touch of that magic burns them and can send them on to true death.
As for the second thing; Draenei rogues/warlocks would have to be explained why these have chosen to be what they are, and how they are not being corrupted what have you. You can't just make a race as in tune with the Light and who hate the Fel/Demon magic with a passion like the Draenei without a lore explanation.
Most people who follow lore, ignore the gameplay mechanics as just that; something needed for the
Game
but not the
Lore
.
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Adamsm
All I know right now is that as far as gaming mechanics go, the Draenei could become warlocksSo could Night Elves and Tauren... but the chance of either of them becoming Warlocks is just as wrong as the Draenei....
But overall:
Game mechanics don't equal Lore, simple as that really.
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Post by
admielke
every race gets a new class except draenei
y cant they become rogues
orcs are big and ugly they get em
it doesn't take much to pick up a pair of swords and wear leather
Draenei are bigger than orcs.
Draenei should get warlock out of any class.
Since Horde will have 1 extra race class combination that would work out normal.
Besides, aren't Draenei just outer space demon squids?
Post by
Adamsm
i have given you examples of how the Draenei could become warlocks. I didn't say they would.Alright, then here's the big question: Why? Why would a draenei turn his back on the Light and the teachings he's seen all his life, why would he turn to the very thing that created the Broken and drove the Lost Ones insane, why, for the love of the Light, would he betray his people on such a level?
I have provided you with Lore that supplements what the Draenei have that makes it possible to do the darker arts. Not really.... your saying what you think equals it, but no where in game do you see actual Draenei mobs using warlock spells; yes, you see them using Shadow spells, but that is the reverse of the Light, not the power of Demons.
Plus, we are talking about a game. If you want the exact thing to happen in Lore, go read the books.
But if parts of the game are already going against what Lore has to say, then why is this topic so different from all the other things that don't add up?I play this game for the Lore, and as there is already a major retcon added with the Draenei, I'd rather there wasn't another one coming out of nowhere just so some people could get the classes they wanted.
And by the way, if you had read the entire topic, you would have seen we already put in things for both Druids and Rogues, but everyone pretty much agrees Draenei Warlocks are the worst thing for our favorite blue hooved raced.
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chase123
Besides, aren't Draenei just outer space demon squids?
Actually they're outer space demon squid-goats.
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