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Is the US government intentionally misleading Americans?
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Post by
TheMediator
I'm attacking you because you make claims like -
Which is why I never trust anything I read.
which is a blatant lie.
A) I don't like liars
and
B) You need help to fix your flawed mind, and passively giving you what you need to fix yourself isn't working, so you need to be berated until you actually own your eyes and see your own flaw.
Post by
Adamsm
Of course the government sends out misinformation.... they've been doing it since the country came into existence. If they flat came out and said "Yeah, our country is going to hell in a handbasket and your all up sh*t creek without a paddle", you'd have riots in the streets and lynching for the politicians. Most people are sheep who believe what they see on TV so their happy to be told everything is fine, nothing is wrong.
Post by
TheMediator
Of course the government sends out misinformation.... they've been doing it since the country came into existence. If they flat came out and said
"Yeah, our country is going to hell in a handbasket and your all up sh*t creek without a paddle"
, you'd have riots in the streets and lynching for the politicians. Most people are sheep who believe what they see on TV so their happy to be told everything is fine, nothing is wrong.
I'm not so sure about that bold statement. Unless you were just giving that as an example.
Post by
Adamsm
Of course the government sends out misinformation.... they've been doing it since the country came into existence. If they flat came out and said
"Yeah, our country is going to hell in a handbasket and your all up sh*t creek without a paddle"
, you'd have riots in the streets and lynching for the politicians. Most people are sheep who believe what they see on TV so their happy to be told everything is fine, nothing is wrong.
I'm not so sure about that bold statement. Unless you were just giving that as an example.
You can use that for any country. But I'll admit, I'm in Canada, which is like the States; going through the new recession, seeing our people dying for a war that was never needed, people homeless starving on the streets. The world is bad all over; but as the topic of this thread is "Is the US government..." I suppose my bolded part would be about the States.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I'm attacking you because you make claims like -
Which is why I never trust anything I read.
which is a blatant lie.
A) I don't like liars
and
B) You need help to fix your flawed mind, and passively giving you what you need to fix yourself isn't working, so you need to be berated until you actually own your eyes and see your own flaw.
I
don't
trust anything I read. How is that a lie? I believe certain things, I trust certain things, I question certain things, and I deny certain things. Things I read do not fall under the trust category.
Post by
Orranis
Usually I agree with you on most topics Hyper, but on this one I am going to have to side with Mediator. Though he is being a bit aggressive, calling others people mind "Flawed" is pretty much the same thing as many faiths say about our minds. Seen as their is no real way of proving whether or not God exists, judging by your "Motto", it seems you would usually disbelieve, however you do not. In the same way as used here, there have been countless times in history in which religion has been used to improve ones own status selfishly. Back in the middle ages, the church had more power than the monarchs, and were certainly not afraid of abusing their power. What makes you think that it is any different today?
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Seen as their is no real way of proving whether or not God exists, judging by your "Motto", it seems you would usually disbelieve, however you do not.
What?
...
Post by
Lecks
I don't know what it is that makes people want to bring Hyper to the Atheist side, but it needs to stop derailing threads.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I don't know what it is that makes people want to bring Hyper to the Atheist side, but it needs to stop derailing threads.
I blaspheme their non-god, it would seem.
Post by
Orranis
Seen as their is no real way of proving whether or not God exists, judging by your "Motto", it seems you would usually disbelieve, however you do not.
What?
...
I don't get what you're trying to point out.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I don't get what you're trying to point out.
Ditto
Post by
Lecks
That US government, always up to something. I wonder what they're doing these days, maybe someone could enlighten me and bring this thread back on track for however short a time.
Post by
42080
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Hyper, you usually don't seem to support or believe in things that can't be proven.
That's the most false statements I've heard in a while. Once a thing has been proven I have no faith--there is no room. The
only
things I believe are things that aren't proven. I don't believe the Pythagorean Theorem, I do believe in the Trinity.
When in doubt, you usually question things.
Yes. And saying I believe something means I don't have any doubts about it.
He's saying that you can't prove the existence of God, yet you still believe in and support your religion forcefully.
I can prove it, but that's a different matter. Take the Trinity instead. I believe it, thus have no doubts, thus have no need to question further than 'is it reasonable to believe?'
Hence my "what."
Post by
TheMediator
You don't what anything else. You get what'd, because your system of logic is lacking.
Take the following statement one.
Seen as their is no real way of proving whether or not God exists, judging by your "Motto", it seems you would usually disbelieve, however you do not.
This makes pure logical sense. If you are skeptical of things, and you lack the evidence of something, you would not believe it.
Now take statements two and three.
A) Which is why I never trust anything I read.
B) Take the Trinity instead. I believe it
This a pure logic FAIL. I'm sorry Hyperspacerebel, but I'm going to have to say it because you're trying to argue against logical statement one in favor of flawed statements two and three - you are not intelligent. Period. You're done here.
Post by
129077
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Post by
Squishalot
Another stat which I'm sure a lot of people are going to get all anal about...
Abortion stats.
Do you know who supplies the raw numbers? Planned Parenthood, the abortion clinics themselves, etc. It's a completely biased source for 'factual' statistics.
Ignoring the religious element of the debate around Hyper...
Why would the abortion clinics want to distort the figures?
a) If they understate figures, then they get reduced funding, reduced influence, and lose relevance.
b) If they overstate figures, then they get more attacks from human rights groups and religious figures, which puts pressure on Government to change laws.
Really, their survival depends on their public profile, but at the same time, their public profile can also spell their doom. Which way do you think they're biasing the statistics? (Possibly in terms of 'complications per abortion', I can see a potential argument, but you can apply that to any surgical procedure.)
Post by
TheMediator
Quote the opinion plux. I'm not seeing it there.
Post by
Squishalot
In relation to the debate on Hyper's hypocrisy, all I'm going to add is that he may not think of 'belief' and 'trust' the same way that you do. Take it as a given, live with his hypocrisy (in the eyes of the rest of the world) and move on.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
(Possibly in terms of 'complications per abortion', I can see a potential argument, but you can apply that to any surgical procedure.)
That's it, I know nurses and doctors who have been in the abortion business, and have heard testimony from others. Most admit to having covered up anything and everything that could have come back at them.
Now true this could be just as true for other surgeries, but I don't know that....that's not something I've looked into. I'm just using something I do know about and have looked into.
But what is true is that abortion clinics are some of the least regulated clinics in the US, giving more room for abuse than other situations. Nor are other types of surgery fighting a rigorous moral battle; if someone dies during a heart transplant, they aren't going to pass a law against heart transplants.
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