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Why are Horde more advantageous in lore ?
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Post by
Arkham
Incidentally, in lore, the alliance has beaten the horde on several occasions. Warcraft I and Warcraft II were both such occasions.Just 2. Warcraft 1 was a sound Horde victory (even if it was the old Horde).
Post by
Skreeran
Alliance technically lost retaking Lordaeron City which is a Horde victory from Blizzard's quest designing.
Blizzard need to give Alliance players something to be inspired by, heck let Magni Bronzebeard smash a Troll to death with his mace if you have to.
PS - Please take the spotlight away from Varian Wrynn, theres more popular Alliance NPCs who deserve some recognition, theres also more races than Humans and Orcs to be popularised.
Lordaeron belonged to the Alliance of Lordaeron. It fell to the Scourge and half of it's citizens now live in the Undercity.
I don't see why should you think that the Horde is winning lorewise.
You can't comment on lore if you can't tell the difference between the scourge and the forsaken.What are you talking about?
Delterius is one of the resident lore experts here, and he's saying everyone living in Lordaeron now is a Lordaeron citizen, which is true. (Unless they're a high elf forsaken, but those are rare).
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Adamsm
Anyone think they will rekindle their on / off romance ?They should, seeing as their married.
And Garrosh, I think is still under the demon's control, as was Grom, I mean, LOOK AT HIM! HE'S RED!Actually no, that means Garrosh is uncorrupted, any of the Greenskinned Orc's are those who, either in their lives or in their parents lives, was on Draenor during the corruption of the land by the Legion, as well as taking in the Blood Curse.
At some point, apparently prior to the Blood Pact with Mannoroth, a virulent plague known as the "red pox" spread throughout the Horde, and Geyah established a quarantine village in Nagrand, homeland of the Frostwolf clan. For reasons unclear, the orcs managed to avoid the corruption that plagued even their parents and the rest of the world. The orcs, and Nagrand, come to be referred to as "mag'har" — which in Orcish means, literally, "uncorrupted". They eventually recovered and constructed the stronghold of Garadar.
The mag'har have never been corrupted by either Mannoroth or Magtheridon, and thus remained untouched by the bloodlust. Unlike their former clanmates who live in the ruins of their once-mighty holds, the mag'har are made up of members of different orc clans who escaped corruption. The current leader of the mag'har, venerable Greatmother Geyah, is an old and wise orc, yet she has recently fallen extremely ill. Garrosh Hellscream, son of the mighty Grom Hellscream, serves as the mag'har's military chief, aided by Jorin Deadeye, son of the venerable chieftain of the Bleeding Hollow clan, Kilrogg Deadeye. Saurfang the Younger is also a mag'har. So, Garrosh is an idiot, but he's an untainted idiot.
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Post by
Skreeran
Really even if Blizzard is favouring the Horde knowing Bliz that will be temporary. They have always done great Lore for both sides and honestly even though I'm a big Horde supporter since I started playing, I think that the Alliance will have an awesome moments in Cataclysm, which I have a strong feeling they will. There are many reasons for Humans to reclaim old homelands and fight old evils now resurfacing. Also with the lost of land I think the focus will be more on the Alliance in many ways.Really it seems the pendulum is swinging back into the Alliance's court already. They got to be the good guys for Warcraft 1 and 2, and the Horde gots it's time to shine as the purified and honorable entity it became in Lord of the Clans and Warcraft 3, remaining that way up through Burning Crusade. And now it's swinging back to the Alliance, with there being a decent chance that we're losing Thrall and Cairne and getting Garrosh instead.
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Dwarfiesgosquish
Incidentally, in lore, the alliance has beaten the horde on several occasions. Warcraft I and Warcraft II were both such occasions.
Uhh... No? In Wacraft 1... Sorry to say (except that I'm not) but the horde obliterated the Alliance... In Warcraft 2, The alliance got their @$$es whooped, up until there was a power-struggle within the horde and it collapsed on itself, and the Alliance just took advantage of it, and in the attack, they lost most of their leaders, then they had the Horde by the-- (tongue)... on the orcs' homeworld and the Horde STILL managed a slight victory-within-their-failure by forcing the Alliance expedition to close the portal and sacrifice themselves!
Post by
Patty
Consider the Alliance to be the British and the Horde to be.. everyone else.
Throughout history the British have attempted to control EVERYTHING. India, China, North America, South America, if it exists the British have tried to control it.
Kek.
Kul'tiras is the biggest reference to Britain, if anything. The Alliance is a giant coalition, how is it Like Britain? I see the correlation you are trying to make, but that's very inaccurate. I'd say the Alliance is sort of like the Crusaders in the Crusades.
This is all very off-topic though.
Anyway, the Horde aren't that advantageous in Lore, it's equally split.
Post by
Adamsm
Well they are and they aren't: after all, anywhere in southern Kalimdor the Horde has the advantage(aka Barrens, Durotar, Thousand Needles) but in Northern Kalimdor it goes to the Alliance/Night Elf locations, with Feralas being a 50/50 thing, and true southern Kalimdor (Crater, Silithis and Tanaris) being split again.
The Alliance does have a bit more advantage in Eastern Kingdoms, but that is mainly because there is 3(soon to be 4) races to the Horde 2. The undead only have Lordaeron and Silverpine under full control, and Ghostlands and Silvermoon to the far north. Dwarves own Hinterlands, Khaz Modan and Dun Morogh, and most of southern Azeroth is under control by Stormwind.
Yes the Horde does have a larger position in Stranglethorn, but the Goblins are the true rulers there. Thought Stonard is a larger city then Netherguarde, so they do have the better position to protect(take the dark portal).
Post by
taurenmoo812
Since the op asked I won't mention Varian.. well.. not now anyway..
The thing is, your asking why is it the alliance are bending over and taking it by the horde now in cataclysm, well we don't have enough of the facts how much the horde is going to change in terms of lore or what the horde are going to lose..
However, I will say its about time the alliance were knocked off there ivory towers, given how the horde has endured being captured and forced into alliance camps after the war, a fate worse for them then death, its about time the alliance knew what it feels like to have it taken away from them.
Really it seems the pendulum is swinging back into the Alliance's court already. They got to be the good guys for Warcraft 1 and 2, and the Horde gots it's time to shine as the purified and honorable entity it became in Lord of the Clans and Warcraft 3, remaining that way up through Burning Crusade. And now it's swinging back to the Alliance, with there being a decent chance that we're losing Thrall and Cairne and getting Garrosh instead.
Lets not jump to that conclusion here Skreeran about Thrall going, we both know cataclysm is going to introduce a lot of phasing mechanics into what happens with the horde, but Thrall is still not just a hero in terms of lore, but integral to the hordes salvation, more then ever I'd say. He's even more integral in terms of how important he is to the lore then someone like Anduin Lothar, because he stands a giving salvation to all races of the horde, well Lothar was just that of humans and maybe dwarves.
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Skreeran
Because in lore, while the alliance have more members, and better technology, the Horde has a history of good strategic leadership. (The dark lady and the forsaken on their own could probably take out the entire alliance with nothing but well planned ambushes and traps).
Thats stupied, if Sylvanas could make the Alliance dead, we would be
dead
. She is a genocidal manic wanting nothing more then death to all humans. The Alliance has military commanders taught in battle tactics since birth.But Thrall's always been holding her back thus far. That's why you don't really see the Forsaken doing anything against the Alliance on a large scale. They preemptively attacked Hillsbrad to keep the humans there under control (and no, I don't support that), but they haven't really attacked the Alliance with their full capability.
Although I do agree that it is an exaggeration that the Forsaken could take the Alliance alone.
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Adamsm
Although I do agree that it is an exaggeration that the Forsaken could take the Alliance alone.
if they had a ton of blight i mean
alot
they would have a really good chance to take out the alliance singlehandedly
I don't know, the Blight isn't such a surprise anymore. All they have to do is just wait till the catapults fire then have the mages and shamans reverse the wind and drop it back on top of them.
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Arkham
also want to point something out what if the people they are really testing on are scarlet crusaders?
This quest chain
culminates in testing a plagued brew on captured Hillsbrad farmers. They do not exclusively test on Scarlets.
Regarding the
Battle of Hillsbrad
. It's very plainly about eradicating the "human scum," and makes no reference to worries about being attacked by the humans first, or any other defensive concerns. It has nothing to do with "pre-emptively" attacking them and everything to do with wiping them out.
We are to quell the human infestation until our apothecaries can develop the new plague.
The town of Hillsbrad is in disarray and we believe it will soon fall. We must, however, persist in our ruthlessness until the human scum are wiped from the foothills for eternity.
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