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MyTie
1) I never said to attack Africa because it was inferior.
2) Molf's analogy is about Nazis... and we attacked thier country, not vice versa.
3) What in the world is 'quote mining'?
1)By inferior i meant solve their problems since you probably think they cant solve problems alone and that it would help them,well you atleast did say march which almost always means attack.
2)WTF do you mean by attacked theirs?whos we and theirs?
3)Quote mining is when you quote someone and pull it out of context , basicly another fancy word for pulling ot of context.
1) I don't think that the whole of Africa can solve thier problems on thier own with a violent revolution. Even then, it is unlikely that the revolution would end in a peacful government with the best interests of its people in mind. Although I don't think this would be the end result of US led war, I have never used that arguement as a reason to attack. I haven't even said it was a good idea to attack.
2) The Nazi government controlled the better part of Europe during WW2. We entered the war in a militaristic fashion after years of econmic aid to the Nazi's enemies. It wasn't until after Japan attacked the US that we went to war against Japan AND the Nazis. The Nazis, however, had not attacked us. We attacked them first. This was an offensive war. Molf's point was that many many Jews would have died innocently and a dictorship would have been in place had we not entered the war when we did. Arguements could also be made that the war was preventative, since Nazi Germany, once Eurasia was conqoured, would have marched on the US, once it was alone.
3) Nothing you have said in this thread has been taken out of context by either Molf or I. You are having problems making a logical arguement, or presenting it, or both. Don't blame us for your lack of insight.
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MyTie
You're wrong , he pulled it out of context, as i think we all know except MyTie and Molf, you two guys are oversimpplifacating stuff , since you possibly couldn't invade africa , let alone hold it for 1 week before the UN start getting over your head with 200 decibel voice, and not of Africa could possibly need to be invaded , it doesn't suck that bad in there, plus invading africa , even with the most peacefull method would provoke hatred and ironic as this may sound
loving one another
Yes, I pointed out earlier that there would be a negative international response. However, it is
possible
to invade Africa. I don't see why you say it isn't.
Saying that "It doesn't suck that bad there" is the understatement of the century.
Finally, this statement makes absolutely no sense:plus invading africa , even with the most peacefull method would provoke hatred and ironic as this may sound loving one another
In the future, try to add punctuation and grammer checks to aid in communication. I can't understand most of what you are saying. The parts that I can understand are laughable.
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MyTie
Not really. No.
It IS POSSIBLE to invade Africa. The US President has authority to declare war and move troops without anyone's permission, at least, for a while.
Other than that, I don't dispute anything you said. It would be a very controversial thing to invade Africa and it wouldn't bring around good feelings. That's why I made this thread to discuss it. If I wanted to talk about something non controversial I would make another zomg thread.. or thread about the flavor of ice cream.... Just don't assume since I made the thread I think it is a good idea to invade Africa.
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MyTie
Good points Eluneril. The part about Japan and Pearl Harbor i acknowledged in an earlier post, though. Generally I agree with what you have said. Is there any possible positive outcomes to a US led takover of Africa?
@shamanzilaMan , go ask your self , it wouldn't be possible to attack it without dire consequences for a lot of people , and discussing BENEFITS of something that we all know won't do much good isn't actually constructive.I acknowledged earlier that it would not be a good thing to invade Africa. However, I believe an open dialog about the possible outcomes can lead us to a greater understanding of world politics. If nothing else, the discussion is not hurtful.
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Patty
Well, the US shouldn't muscle it's way into an entire continent to be honest.
Several countries in Africa are in turmoil, such as Zimbabwe, but that does not mean the entire continent is in turmoil.
That is like saying, one <enter minority here> is <enter negative adjective here>, so therefore every single member of the <minority> is like that. Hello, stereotypes.
America seems to make itself out to be the best of the world, that can handle the entire planet alone, the self-proclaimed governer of Earth. Which is very false. Of course, my view may be misinformed, as I am an outsider looking in, but I can use an example.
So, today I was browsing through Facebook, and on my homepage a friend had done a "which nationality are you?" quiz, with the result Italian. However, the image was the American flag. Also, whenever something is on the news about America, the Stars and Stripes are always seen. That seems to me that yes, America is patriotic, fine. However, the American flag being almost forced into your mind has made me dislike the US, because it seems as if they are trying to make their beliefs global. (Inc. flame. /equip flame shield.)
I think America would like to be imperialist, but will not succeed, or become an Empire as large as the Roman or British Empires, for example.
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Modibybob
It gives a good opportunity to examine the pros and cons of large scale imperialism, as well as the effects worldwide of an ambitious super power. Other things might come up... AIDS... genoside... corruption... oil wealth... racism...
This has the potential to become a very juicy debate.
Oh. Well, I guess we have to consider America's military strength, and judging by recent events, it's not that good (that's why I brought up Iraq; I am not a goon). And even if they had the strength, I don't think it would be a moral thing to do (not to mention unfair). And then we'd look at the disadavangtes, which I guess are a lot. Do you have any way to make this moral, profitable (to both sides) and, quite frankly, logical?
You my good sir are 665% correct :).
America has military strength, believe me.
Politics and lawyers prevent marines/airmen/soldiers/sailors from doing their job.
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MyTie
MyTie, a model American Citizen
Whenever I post a controversial subject, I spend half the time explaining that my personal views are not in line with the controversy. In this case, I don't think invadeing Africa is a good idea. Out of the dozen or so people who have debated here, maybe 2 have taken the time to read the numerous other times I had to explain this. Everyone else walks in and says something to the effect of "MyTie is crazy". And so, here I am again, patiently explaining that I only want a discussion on the controversial subject, that the subject itself is not my personal views.... I suppose in another page or so I will have to do that over again.
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