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Comment by Toloran

Just like to point out that this IS stealable by the mage's Spell Steal ability.

Comment by Carighan

This spell has 2 big problems:
a) It's magic.
b) It has a spellgraphic, a very unique one.

In PvE, this is kickass-awesome. In PvP, be very careful when to use it, and realize in 99% of cases it's more effective to play defensive in PvP even if you're specced/geared for damage. Hence, don't waste Forbearance on this if you know it'll just be dispelled/stolen.

Comment by Caffi

I just think its wierd how the tooltip say nothing about giving you forbearence, they should update that.

Also, they should update the tooltip on the divine shield and blessing of protection to tell you about the avenging wrath.

Plus i would really love to see the forbearence be removed like archangel said. I am going to have to test that with a warlock friend of mine :-) (Thanks for the tip archangel)

Comment by Isilien

New in stores! Paladins! Now with wings for twice the protection!

Comment by camarouge

Does this +30% apply after or before spell damage bonuses?

For example, you have 300 spell damage, and your Judgement of Command hits for a maximum of 504(stunned/incapped). With spell damage, that becomes a maximum of 633. Does AW change your maximum to 783(before spell damage) or 822(after)?

Comment by 43910

This spell looks really really cool when you are in Furbolg form ( https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=5462 )

Gotta love raiding karazhan in furburger form with wings :)

Comment by Ireze

I have a question can mages spellsteal this?
-spellsteal pom pyro O_O

Comment by 124740

Great in arenas,everyones got to hate the Ret pallie in S1 gear killing you in your S2/S3 gear.
I hate how S3 holy pallies kill me with this but still great for evocation against the curator to do lots of damage!

Comment by 159774

I believe this spell is casted mostly just for look then actual use in combat. It does have a nice feature in combat for protection paladins and retribution paladins and especially helpful for a holy paladin fighting off a ganker or a mob. But, honestly, I seen more paladins cast this in cities and shout random things like 'Redbull gives you wings!' and several more dance with this. I have seen my fair share of paladins dancing naked with wings for the 'cool' look or taking screenshots.

Comment by 129231

after i geared up my retri pally and gained more survivability i have found myself to pop this more than my bubble....

in bg's i usually the <<resto druid burster>> judge with justice laugh at him as u run faster (+15%) than him in travel form and nuke his ass down

especially useful against healers like disc priest, resto shaman, and resto druid (ofc stunned in caster form)

bubble wont help u down a resto druid... with u will at least make him use his HOLY #$%^ button (nature swiftness)

Comment by 167698

i looove this..~
too bad it gives forbearance though, imagine a AW without forbearance, that would be awezume :'D

Comment by Allakhazam

does anyone know what the cooldown is on this spell?

Comment by Allakhazam

the reason my it causes forebearance because with out it you'll see pallys nuking people with divine shield up with is overpowered in pvp

Comment by Allakhazam

I just got this spell, and each time it triggers forebearance and so you cant use Divine Shield for 1 min after use.

does anyone know why?

Comment by Allakhazam

That was exactly what they were saying. Paladins are not suppose to dps, they are ment for tanking/healing hybrid.. you are NOT a Warrior, so stop trying.

well, this is absolutely false

look at the wws of my guild raiding bt yesterday, me doing dps as ret
http://wowwebstats.com/wpkmejn2qbxwm

avenging wrath triggers forebearance because of pvp imo, so that you can't use divine shield and aw at the same time. this would be kind of op

Edited, Dec 6th 2007 8:00am by Carpathis

Comment by Thottbot

Watch this ability in action

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6466291676668091025&q;=Avenging+Wrath

Comment by Thottbot

priest, warlocks and defspecced warriors basically anything exept rogues...and other paladins

Comment by Thottbot

if it's magic, it can be purged / stolen, just like Blessing of Protection.

Comment by Thottbot

This spell is a "filler" spell.

Due to the nature of Divine Shield and Blessing of Protection, both of which have a long cooldown(4 and 3 minutes, respectively, if improved), this spell was made to use the time in-between forbearence.

Sure, it's not amazing in PvP due to the fact that it can be purged or stolen, however it would even be useful in single combat if your shields were down. You can still activate it for a single HoJ burst.

I don't see why anyone would complain. This offers a significant DPS upgrade in PvE, and a very deadly burst or two in between shields in PvP.

Cheers

Comment by Thottbot

This would be AMAZING for a pally tank... since you're probably not going to be using Divine Shield or Blessing of Protection more than you're going to be needing a ton of extra aggro, this will probably be popped every 3 minutes :-D

Comment by Thottbot

This is more of a PvE tool. I've been using it, and I NEVER, ever, fire it in PvP. In Group PvP you'll be lucky to get more then 5 seconds out of it before you either die or get it dispelled, due to the huge wings graphic. In PvE, however, I rarely use my bubble, and even then, anyone experienced can predict when they might need it and when they won't. Its very easy to not fire AW during hard stuff. My personal favorite thing to do is cast Divine Favor, AW, then Holy Shock. A Forced +30%dmg crit every3mins that does about 1500dmg for me, and I'm a fresh 70 with crap gear.

To the Paladins unhappy with this spell, shove it. Paladins have been asking for controlled damage at the cost of survivability since release, THIS IS IT, be thankfull like me. I put it to great use in PvE.

Comment by Thottbot

i think that spells/abilities that give a negative effect (forebearence, PW:S) should also have the negative effect removed when getting dispelled/stolen

Comment by Thottbot

If your a holy paladin and don't want to use your Divine Illumination or Divine Favor to heal and just want to use burst damage, here is a good macro to use.

/cast Divine Illumination
/stopcasting
/cast Divine Favor
/stopcasting
/cast Avenging Wrath
/stopcasting
/cast Holy Shock

Since Divine Illumination, Divine Favor, and Avenging Wrath all don't have any global cooldown time all four will cast instantly. And you will still have plenty of time left with Divine Illumination and Avenging Wrath to play around with.

Comment by Thottbot

Actually, this spell is incredibly useful for tanking paladins for a number of reasons. First, a tanking paladin will NEVER use Divine Shield or Blessing of Protection on themselves as they both drop immediate aggro, so Forebearance is a non-issue. Second, paladins hold aggro by doing holy damage to an enemy while using Righteous Fury. With this ability, you can cause 30% MORE holy damage (and standard melee damage) and thus generate even more aggro. Great tanking skill; somewhat worthless for PvP and soloing.

Comment by Thottbot

I havent had a lot of problems with mages stealing it yet...only happened a couple of times. Overall, it's great to use in between shields...

I pull off 1900 Holy shocks, 1100 JoRs with it on...and I jus turned 70 not too long ago.

Cant wait to see what I can do when I get some decent raid gear.

Comment by Thottbot

http://epicpyro.ytmnd.com/

This is a gif picture of a mage pom+pyro'ing a pally for about 15k dmg.
But the only thing I'm sceptical to is that the mage have a forbearance on himself.
So how did he get that? from spellstealing or from the paladin, if he actually buffed him with the pally buff?

Comment by Thottbot

Hey guys
this spell fukin owns
i love it
BIG holy pally crits
fukin awesome

Comment by Thottbot

Been 2 shotted by a paladin once. When i see those wings comin at me, i generally run.

Comment by Thottbot

I've got a hybrid pally 0-28-33 to maximize 2-h damage with Vengence and Imp. 2-h in the Ret tree and Reckoning in the Prot tree.

Forbearance aside, this spell is incredible. (Consider it vs. Shaman's Bloodlust. And every 3 min!)

Using this every 3 min. and Bladefist's Breadth every 2 min., my white dmg is wonderful. (yes, i know, ret pally DPS ain't comparable to other classes... but any higher DPS and you have no heals/plate/bubble/res)

PvP - use for 1-on-1 except vs. Sham / Mage.

Solo - Whip this out every 3 minutes as you eat through mobs. When i pop Av. Wrath & reckoning procs, i three-hit everything that isn't elite. My crit is ~22%, causing vengence to proc to its full effect (stacks 3 times) in as little as one swing on reckoning. (Any combo of your white dmg swings + your SoR/SoC/SoB seal proc critting.) Every crit after that just extends the window of 15 seconds for vengence. I'll typically be able to hold full venegence (3 stacked) for about 15-18 mobs before needing to heal or running out of close enough mobs.

Raid / Dungeon - Once you're sure of where aggro is gonna be, pop this and smack away. Priceless on boss fights that demand a quick end.

Sorry for the long post, but the bottom line is this: If it's useful to you at all, use it a lot. If you're Holy non-Shockadin, don't waste the 8% of base mana that it costs.

Comment by Thottbot

Locks with felhound can eat it too ;/

Comment by Thottbot

epicpyro.ytmnd.com

Comment by Thottbot

does anyone know if this stacks with berserk.. could be a niiiice judgement crit if u stun ^^ which stacks with sanc aura and the other 5% more u get so and crits become much nicer with any dmg% increasing effect so its 10% + 2% + 3% + 30% + 30% (berserk) + 15% (full vengance) get merciless gladiator gear (which u get around atleast 400 spelldmg with.. highest crusader strike ive heard is 6.7k on a rogue and judgement 5.6k ... also use judgement on a warr with berserk stance ^^ xD

Comment by Thottbot

I don't really care about the spell, I just really like the sheep with wings screenshot! :D

Comment by Thottbot

When i became lv70 this quickly became my fav spell by far :D i personnally use it in combo with a step attck
1.Ret aura (later explained)
2.Seal of the Righteous (does not have to be imp but can do)
3.Divine Imulation (cuts all waste here after. Holy only if you are not holy skip this step)
4.Avenging Wrath. This now increase all damge you do and if holy costs less mana to avtivate (note this also increaes your Ret damage aswel cos it comes from you but it does not affect peeps in your team Ret output)
5.Concecreation this is affected by your AV

-What is it does overall-

.Using this order every hit you do in melee is increased and your SoR does more damge on melee too
.If you pull 3 or more mobs on you lv70+ it will always result in you taking heavy damage but Ret and Con will do alot more overall (this is usually combated by simply helaign yourself)
.Great for Prot palay cos it causes alot of aggro very quickly
.If you are holy and have holy shock it will cuase alot of damage and can be aplied any time after step 4 (i personally use it with Divine favour cos it crits more with AV on
.WARNING it you are in BG this can kill you very quickly cos you lose your Divine sheild abbility and most opposition in BG are casters and they wont stand about in your Concecreation and they wont melee you losing the Aoe damge all together (this should only be tried in BG if you can see only melee classes and you have healing back up)

Comment by Thottbot

So do you.. nuff said

Comment by Thottbot

If we can do it, why not? lol it's not like we can stealth off a battle or fear people away ;)

Comment by Thottbot

Is it just me or do I think that Avenging Wrath should not have a forbearance effect? I mean come on, every other class at lvl 70 gets a kick ass move that pwns everything around them. And what do we get? 30% dmg increase, with a forbearance. I love this move except for the forbearance effect. Because once you realize that your opponent is still alive after AW and interrupting every other spell and polymorphing you mercilessly..you can't bubble, thus you are dead. I know I can't speak for everyone..but this move has NEVER ONCE helped me after I use it because I am a sittign duck. Basically, it would be a much better lvl 70 move if the forbearance effect did not exist. But of course, it's great for PVE prot/ret pallys :)

Comment by Thottbot

Okay... for all of you COMPLAINING about this spell, you obviously don't know the use of this spell...

It adds 30% more damage. That is INSANE. That means that if you were to say, oh, be doing 900 damage a swing on your melee stat sower that also shows your ap and crit chance ( a decent amount at 70) that it would shoot up to 1170 damage. If your like me, and your says 1000 damage, you will be doing an extra 300 daamge with 1000 and 270 with 900.

Hell, is that not good enough for you?

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9711/picturevx7.png

here is a picture of me hearthing at 8 PM doing this in like 5 minutes.

Sorry I couldn't get my 2126 SoC crit and 1850 white damage crit I got yesterday against an elite mob...
will try to get more pics in the future :)

White Crit
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1252/cooloq8.png
(The yellow one is crusader strike)

Comment by Thottbot

I have a Macro from my ret pally.. with a bloodlust trinket :P

/cast Bloodlust Brooch
/cast avenging wrath

i crit 3k white damage 3k with proque with seal of command
4k crit with crusader strike.. with my stormherald ofc xD

first u need to use repentance on the target
then crusader judge the target
use seal of command
stun the target use the macro + crusader strike
= target dead

greatest damage ever 3k+3k+4k = 10k + target is a druid bear form :D
s3 set pally

Comment by Thottbot

Paladins are the greatest class on the game hands down.

Comment by Thottbot

doesn't stack mate :P

Comment by Thottbot

Stop being jealous, we all know Belf pallys are better ^^

Comment by Thottbot

Im interested to find out how Seal of the Crusaders 40% damage boost to Crusader strike (coming in path 2.42) will stack with this moves basic 30% boost.

A 1 Minute Crusader Strike Mega-Nuke is probably to much to hope for.

Comment by Thottbot

which race is the best for a pally?

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Avenging Wrath

Avenging Wrath
8% of base mana

Instant	3 min cooldown

Increases all damage caused by 30% for 20 sec. Causes Forebearance, preventing the use of Divine Shield, Divine Protection, Blessing of Protection again for 1 min.

Buff

Avenging Wrath	Magic

All damage caused increased by 30%.
20 seconds remaining

Spell Details

Duration

20 seconds

School

Holy

Mechanic

n/a

Dispel type

Magic

GCD category

Normal

Cost

8% of base mana

Range

0 yards (Self)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

3 minutes

GCD

0 seconds

Effect

Apply Aura: Mod Damage Done % (Arcane, Fire, Frost, Holy, Nature, Physical, Shadow)
Value: 30%
PVP Multiplier: 1

Flags

Cannot be used while shapeshifted
Do Not Sheath

Avenging Wrath

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