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Comment by Isilvara

The "Forest Lord" is none other then Shan'do Cenarius the Demigod, son of Malorne and Elune.

Comment by plasmasnakemg

This is the kind of staff Jesus would use if he could turn into a bear but I mean come on he's Jesus. lol

Comment by eulynn

This staff is now the ultimate power in the universe.

50 strength, with talents is 123.6 AP
Add 52 agility
Add 35 more agi from the enchant
and 1110 feral ap
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1320 AP

This is the pure DPS counterpart to your EW, Wildfury, or PoF.

Comment by 130154

Could this be used to replace EW as a tanking weapon?

1) No armor from weapon sucks
- but if Def is not any issue (i.e. you have over 2.6% crit reduction already) so it is just armor your going to loss.

2) +39 stam and 52 agi provide a LOT of Tanking potential via Def, Dodge, HP. I am not good at the mechanics of the game so not sure how much more of everything you gain from these stats.

3) With the added raw AP, added AP from str, and Crit chances from AGI you would do a LOT more damage and hit more often which will help hold aggro.

Just wondering what you guys think.

Comment by 131761

This will not be the best DPS staff it is intended to tank with unfortunaelty. Expertise please?

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=34198

Will be the best DPS staff. . .

Comment by 39766

hypnoticbob you are wrong, i believe that every druid around here
favorizes 54 dodge rating from Wildfury rather then 21 sta more on
Pillar of Ferocity so Wildfury Greatstaff is alot better.

Compare if you dont believe me:
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=30021
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=30883

So next time get your fact's straight and dont just look omg hyjal and go "it's better"

Comment by 62481

order of staff dps goes like so:

Stanchion of Primal Instinct: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=34198
vengeful staff: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=33716
staff of the forest lord: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=34898
merciless maul: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=32014
staff of primal fury: https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=33465

reasons why i dont like sotfl and sopf are simply because they don't come with one of the best stats that any melee must have, hit. bliz, if your going to make high quality staffs, put hit on it please ><. OR expertise (which would be even better)

Comment by 103284

What do you guys think is better for PvE dps, this or https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=33716 ?

Comment by 135867

Question: Do you think it would be better to use this or Gladiator's Maul for PVP?

Comment by 83139

is this staff better than https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=33465 because i dont know if like 3 agility and some AP is better than 315 armor negation..

Comment by Meatball123

i wish blizzard would change the staff model, right now it looks nothing like a druid staff imo. :(

Comment by 137985

I don't see why it's innately inferior. If you're at the armor cap this provides more avoidance than any other druid weapon, it provides as much stamina as the (current) best tanking weapon, and it provides more damage than any druid weapon in the game. I admit, it would be hard getting to the armor cap without the 2500 armor, but it's not impossible. Def/resilience is best gotten on other items anyway.

In other words, if you are in very high-quality gear situations this is the best tanking weapon for doing progression content. If you are not, this will be too much of a hit for armor.

Comment by 63388

This tanking conversation needs to be put to rest. Those saying it's a bad tank item because you'd be hard-pressed to reach the cap without armor on a weapon are right.

Filling every other slot with its max armor item (5/5 t6, heroic badge cloak/wrists/old neck/2.4 ring, kara ring, badge of tenacity, UBRS quest trinket) gemming/enchanting them all for agility, and assuming fully improved raid buffs - using this staff would leave you no more than roughly 1000 armor over the cap. The amount of stats you lose from sub-optimal choices outweighs the 3 stamina, bit of dodge and AP/crit this gains vs Wildfury. I just simulated this set very hastily, maybe you could squeeze some more armor out, but here's an example- including that UBRS quest trinket alone robs you of a spot for 51 stamina, or 36 def/32dodge/use effect. NOT including the UBRS quest trinket knocks off a 1000 armor leaving you right at the cap. This is just one slot... not accounting for the freedom and flexibility you get from not having your enchants/gems/consumables dedicated to uncrittability.

Ultimately, here's the dead end: people with access to 5/5 t6 for such a set-up will be worrying about tanking Sunwell bosses for which stacking stamina is more reliable. This set-up is the opposite of stamina friendly. Being able to put 15stamina blue gems in almost all of your slots is an immense help, as is a high stamina trinket. Threat is a non-issue for those bears, especially with hit/expertise items available, so the AP and crit are LOL.

For people without at least tier 5 equivalent items... you're far away enough from the cap that you'll need the armor, my friends.

So let's drop the tank staff talk. A more interesting question in my opinion is comparing Primal Fury's 315 APen to the ~240AP/neglible crit upgrade Forest Lord provides. How much APen would you need on all your gear to make it competitive? In other words... any reason whatsoever to hang onto Primal Fury once you have this?

Comment by Nokturnal

This will be the best feral (cat) dps staff in game once it's added.

Anyone want to correct that statement?

(taking away the fact it doesn't add hitrating because you can easily get hit rating cap without a wpn adding hit rating)

Especially for trash mobs/soloing

(Expertise "Might" be required for raid bosses, but in general you're always attacking from behind in cat anyway, so just the % dodge reduce would help but even that is so little...)

As far as not reducing armor of the enemy... anyone want to tell me how much armor a raid boss has?

Comment by 139922

Its an imba weapon for both tanking and cat form. No armour may make it appear bad at first but who tanks t5/t6 as a feral without a priest or shaman healing them?

Once u hit 30k armour the extra mitigation scales v badly with other stats i know tanks that use part cat gear and t6 very successfully

Comment by 78910

i am sure that this wasnt really intended on being a tank wpn, more of a "stay alive a lil longer in kitty form" weapon, but as others have stated, if ur crit immune, and have the armor to waste, go for it, more AP, dmg, threat, burns down mobs faster... especially nice for those tanks that like to dps tank kara..lol

Comment by Molgard

When I first Saw this Staff my Jaw Dropped. Now that I'm back from the Hospital with an Iron Jaw, I can say how Awesome this it.

It's So Awesome I spilled McDonald's Coffee in my lap to cool off...

Comment by 23311

So let's drop the tank staff talk. A more interesting question in my opinion is comparing Primal Fury's 315 APen to the ~240AP/neglible crit upgrade Forest Lord provides. How much APen would you need on all your gear to make it competitive? In other words... any reason whatsoever to hang onto Primal Fury once you have this?

I've been thinking about that, too. APen only starts to have a noticeable effect when you're packing close to 500, and Primal Fury puts you close to that number all on it's own. Assuming that you aren't already covered in APen items, I would consider Primal Fury to be equivalent, if not better, and if only because of a) the APen, and b) the fact that it's a lot easier to get.

(Expertise "Might" be required for raid bosses, but in general you're always attacking from behind in cat anyway, so just the % dodge reduce would help but even that is so little...)

Expertise is required for raid bosses. You may only ever be attacking from behind a boss, but that doesn't negate Dodge chance. I don't know what you mean by "so little"; I know that I get Dodge strings on raid bosses, and I've got 20 Expertise rating. Preventing any loss of damage from a Miss or a Dodge is critical to ensuring your DPS stays high, so yes, Expertise is an important DPS stat.

No armour may make it appear bad at first but who tanks t5/t6 as a feral without a priest or shaman healing them?

Then you're relying on a proc to cap your armor, which is ridiculous. Getting to 30000 armor and considering yourself "done" for the purpose of tanking raid bosses is insane. You stack armor to cap, you don't rely on other classes to cap for you.

Comment by 140598

Given the new Nurturing Instinct (100% of agility = +heal), this staff makes for an incredible PvP item for druids, even without the resilience. It also provides dodge, giving two nice stats no PvP feral weapon can match, since they offer zero agility.

You essentially exchange +hit and resilience for a lot of dodge, more stamina, and more +healing (assuming you have NI).

An excellent choice for druids who don't have the time or dedication to reach 1850 in arenas for the season 3 staff.

Comment by 140541

If you are kitty dps, get this staff, best dps weapon availeble, hands down.

Comment by 22001

How much longer will you actually survive with 2-3% more melee damage reduction agasint a raid boss? Honestly?

I'm not saying this staff is a tanking weapon, I'm arguing the fact that armor cap is not nearly as important as having more stam, more agi, and generating more threat via str/crit.

Comment by 22001

Best easily obtainable dps weapon, the one from Sunwell is considerably better.

Comment by 23311

In my experience, that 2-3% melee damage reduction can mean the difference between living and dying. Honestly. That might sound like just an off-hand response, but it's true. Life and death can be determined by as little as 500 HP.

For a Druid, Armor and Stamina are your two biggest assets. These aren't chance based stats. Pushing them to their limit should be your first goal as a Bear after becoming crit immune.

The fact that we can push our Dodge to levels undreamed of *without relying on procs* is icing on the cake. Not to devalue Dodge-- it's great. But pure mitigation is more powerful than avoidance, so getting as close to the cap as possible while stacking Stamina is what any Druid should start off doing.

The stats you profess are more important than our mitigation-- threat gen stats-- are stats that, by happenstance, Bears end up swimming in due to how our gear is itemized. Our Tier sets have loads of Strength and Agility on them, and many of our Badge reward items do as well. (Not to mention crafted epics and trash drops.) Additionally, our weapons come with a hefty chunk of Feral AP. If you're making a weapon change to favor AP and crit over mitigation, then I can't imagine what the hell kind of gear you're wearing or rotations you're using that would make threat gen a priority over survivability. Frankly, once you're in enough Tiered gear and non-set items (Bands of the Swift Paw, Treads of the Den Mother, Belt of Natural Power, etc), you'll have more than enough AP and enough crit to generate 1k+ TPS, at which point you should consider building Hit and Expertise, the former for better threat generation, the latter for better threat generation and mitigation.

Call it personal preference. I wouldn't use this staff for tanking, and at the gear level I'm at now, I'd rather invest in Expertise and Hit rating when possible versus more crit and AP to up my threat gen, and I'd rather lose crit and AP than +Armor.

EDIT: In case any of this sounds snarky in nature, I'd like to clarify that I mean no disrespect to the author of the quoted text.

Comment by 139922

wasnt really focusing on the threat aspect of this for tanking more the avoidance ie dodge enchanted its 87 agi which alone is over 6% dodge from this 1 item i would consider that more valuable than 2% less dmg /discuss

Comment by 142374

This isn't meant to be a tanking staff you are comparing agility and stam on this as vital tanking stats versus raw dodge and armor. While this staff is an obvious upgrade to Earthwarden, the CE rep mace was shamed out of the picture a long time ago.

It's not hard to get a Wildfury Greatstaff or even a Pillar of Ferocity, both of these are superior tanking weapons.

Now with saying that I realise a bunch of casual are going to jump me about the inability to aquire such weapons but the fact stands, this staff is meant to rival S3 feral staff and the ZA staff, a CAT DPS WEAPON.

Comment by 115678

For those of you who keep discussing the attributes of this staff for tanking, you might as well talk about using a healing staff for tanking too. This staff is for dps and pvp (assuming you can get +hit and resilience in other slots).

Comment by 139922

After seeing brutalus for the first time- armour capped and as much stam as possible are the way to go

Comment by 23311

I'm actually still torn over whether this or the ZA staff is the optimal one for DPS.

At this point my conclusion is equivalence between the two, though one will be superior to the other based on what the rest of your gear looks like. For me, the APen of Primal Fury tops the extra (and admittedly substantial) AP and (negligible) crit and Stamina on the Staff of the Forest Lord.

And from a purely aesthetic perspective this hardly looks like something a Druid would wield.

Comment by Neanoa

Seems there is a small bug with this weapon. Glows from enchants doesn't apply to this weapon.

Have only tested with +35 agi though. Anyone able to confirm others/same?

Comment by Gangren

No glow, no.

Comment by Happypants

He's dead right. Great Moonkin regen weapon. If you have the badges to spare (I know some people do), then no reason not to get it.

Comment by 150148

Nope it doesn't show the enchant slapped +35 agi on it right after I got it and no green glow :(

Hey but this staff rocks still. But man I would be sooo happy if it at least had some +hit on it tbh. Ended up having to re-socket my entire dps set >_<

Comment by 113336

Maybe I’m off base here but if armor doesn’t help against magic damage and our theoretical druid is tanking a magic dealing boss… wouldn’t this staff be better than earthwarden seeing as it has more stam?

Comment by Solander

As of 2.4.2 This staff is showing the glow from 35 agility enchant

Comment by 23311

Your theoretical Druid could use this as a Weapon switch for magical damage encounters, such as picking up the Hydross adds, though you could just use the Pillar of Ferocity for that to better effect. However, aside from Hydross, you will almost never have a Druid tank bosses that deal mostly magical damage; that strips them of two of their greatest advantages, which allow them to shine against physical damage mobs.

No, you'd have a Warrior tank those magic-damage dealing mobs instead.

Comment by 146232

Depending on your gear (and your healer's gear) this can be an fantastic tanking staff for some situations eg farming heroics & karazhan trash. At around 31k armor, I noticed rage generation slowed down significantly in trash pulls and heroic bosses, because mitigation was close to the cap. The solution?
- tank semi-naked (or use lower level tanking armor)
- get a stronger weapon: more attack power = more rage

I'll be glad to loose the armor and gain the attack power from this weapon. I'd much rather have a full rage bar in heroics, than have my healer wasting their uberhealing potential. I suspect we'll complete the instances much faster too.

As an added bonus; if your dps players are less well geared, you'll have a chance of topping the dps charts !!!! (I've seen this happen)

Again, this is situational advice only. I'll always use armor weapons for the hardest hitting fights.

Comment by 78370

What is better for pvp S2 or Fortest Lord?

I'm with 400 resil without S2. Doing my experiences, I think that Fortest Lord is better because can provide me more survival and better dps. But it is necessary to use mangle idol like: S4 idol, S3 idol, S2 idol or S1 idol.

And you guys, what do you think about this?

What is better?

Hugs

Comment by 170380

Now that Karazhan is beginning to feel as easy as UBRS once did, this item is highly accessible. When 20+ Badges of Justice are available in around two hours, the Staff of the Forest Lord might be a considerable alternative to the Brutal Gladiator's staff, at least for those who can manage the resilience without the weapon's contribution to the stat. I prefer this weapon for World PvP and for Arenas.

And speaking of the appearance, the staff coordinates with the other blood elf themed items available from the same vendor, and it doesn't look any less ridiculous than the gear coming out of Zul'Aman. We're all looking like Hollywood indians now. I have to put my faith in blizzard that they will give us a more agreeable theme in the future sets.

In my opinion, they never topped the tier 2 sets.

Comment by 173939

How staf is better ??
Staff of the Forest Lord https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=34898
OR
Pillar of Ferocity https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/item=30883
I am a feral druid.

Comment by Allakhazam

any pics?

Comment by Thottbot

As a feral druid i must say, DAMN!
This staff is better than the Pill of Ferocity in some aspects, the extra agi is very nice althought you lose some stamina and armor. Not to mention it is much easier to get 150 badges then to be doing Hyjal.

Comment by Thottbot

BEST Pve that is easy to get (drop/bougt) DRUID DPS WEAPON.
(ofc not counting the 1 drops form SWP,from the twins sisters)
at least for my guild we are yet to gear up full tr6 all raid for fair fight in there).
for while now blizzard have given druids semi dps/tanking weapon in 1,
now finaly this comes out shouting for dsp and crit.the onlt thing it missess is the hit rating (not most important for druid ,but better to have),
the only weapon that can beat this 1 up in dps roll ,is the S3 staff of the vanguel.
this weapon wins overt the pilar and the other staff for ZA with eyes closed and no enchant even (DPS WISE),

Comment by Thottbot

I like this staff but i am kinda wondering what to do.. the badges reward vendor hasn't spawn yet in my server. i have collected 400 badges so far. i have both terrestian's stranglestaff and wildfury. i agree that its hard to decide if its dps or tanking weapon. but i dont belive that its useless.. any serious suggestions? is it worth 150 badges or not?

Comment by Thottbot

Great staff, must say I have the pillar of Ferocity atm. And Dammnnnnn for badges this thing is tons better than the Pillar. Def. gettin this on my drood good thing i have 400 badges :]]!

Comment by Thottbot

This is NOT the best cat DPS staff in the game. The one from the Eredar Twins (...correct?) is. This is the second best.
And who in their right mind would take this for tanking?
Feral druids don't need +hit-rating. It's nice to have and usually you'll have a bunch from the rogue leather gear you're bound to pick up, but in the end druids who are going for +hit-rating are wasting itempoints they could spend in +agility for both AP and crit.

Also, I can't understand why people always cream their pants over the Pilliar of Ferocity. That staff isn't useful for anything. No crit, so it's bad for dps and no +agility/dodge so it's even worse for tanking (except maybe certain caster-type bosses, but in most situations those are left to the protection warriors anyway).

Comment by Thottbot

You're server first has to unlock the badge vendor. In order to unlock her, you have to be on phase three at the new island, and have to have completed the anvil.

Comment by Thottbot

If you have run enough kara and heroic instances to get the 150 badges for this staff, I pray to god that you have 140 hit rating already. My dps gear consists primarily of kara gear with a few upgrades from 25 mans and I have 177 hit rating without a single +hit gem. You should be stacking agility like crazy on your dps gear for AP and crit. No exceptions. This staff is amazing and I plan on picking it up as soon as my server unlocks the vendor.

Comment by Thottbot

Also... dunno if anyone else notices, but if you turn up spell detail the green gems in the staff glow in the dark. :D

Comment by Thottbot

I dunno about you guys but...

Damn this staff is UGLY! Stay in cat form, you probably look more epic like that x_X

Comment by Thottbot

Ugly ass hell (like all the new Badge Weapons) but so good :) love it... my only complaint is that there is too much stamina and no expertice rating :(

Comment by Thottbot

this is how blizz pisses me off.

best druid dps staff in game KILLER

only cost me 150 badges INSANLY KILLER

3k mangles MOST Killer of all

Blizzard making this the fruitest looking wepon in the game

...i would much rather just gun for venegful staff then go for this, im sorry i just couldnt look at it for longer than 3 mins without wanting to log

(combat log)

Blizzard crits you for 15$

your acount has been resisted

Typical

Comment by Thottbot

this is NOT a tank Weapon (well u can try tank with it if you have armor capped without weapon) this staff is for dps and pvp (has no resi but high ap and str&agi;, not mentioning the high amount of stamina)

Comment by Thottbot

so, im in a guild that raids SSC and TK, just got tier 5 hands (my first piece! :) the other day and instead of have tier 4 chest i got the badge one, when i happened to go to armory to look for what r my next upgrades,

hmm, i found it strange to see tanking wise both the gloves and the legs you can get from the new badge vendor are better then tier 6 stats >.> <.< ,

tier 6 does have amazing bonuses, and it might be better dps wise, but it seems weird that all this badge gear that casual raiders even ppl that just do heriocs can attain is equialvalent to tier 6 material,

to the poster a couple posts above me, i admit druids shouldnt stack crit to 200 but neither should u have it at 100

i just got shard of contempt today and maybe that expertise will make it so i dont need 140 hit rating, but 140 is a good number, personaly though the real items i like for dps r the hybrid rings like the one off SSC lurker (+str,+agi,+sta) and the one from exalted shatar

my crit is atm 40% unbuffed ive been using the blue trinket from hellfire because i am obbsessed with crit, maybe i should use the shard more, so i hit less and get the ap boost from attack, but then i wont have 40% crit....

Comment by Thottbot

heres something to look at for you guys, and end tanking/dps druid fight
http://www.emmerald.net/Bear_Mitigation/

this staff CAN be used for tanking if u already capped armor from other items, which is now not hard at all, u can cap armor from all new badge items + 2+3 S3 pieces, and use this for tanking

but if u curious about what best tanking items are take a moment and check that link

Comment by Thottbot

As of the new patch, it now properly glows with enchants. :) I'm proud to sport this around now!

Comment by Thottbot

So, I have a feral druid tank and DPS as needed. 28k armor without my Earthwarden. I am trying to figure out if I should pick this up for a Tank/DPS staff. I would gain dodge and hp but lose a ton of armor. What is the armor cap for a druid?

Comment by Thottbot

its really good for tanking coz Wildfury Greatstaff with +35 Agi enchant gives +5,31% dodge rating but Staff of the Forest Lord with +35 Agi Enchant gives +6,09% dodge rating. if u have 4 piece T4 ur getting +1400 armor in bear so if u have 4 piece T4 its really good for tanking otherwise Wildfury Greatstaff best staff for tanking

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Staff of the Forest Lord

	Phase 5

Item Level 146
Binds when picked up

Two-Hand	Staff

136 - 298 Damage	Speed 3.00

(72.33 damage per second)
+50 Strength
+52 Agility
+78 Stamina
Durability 120 / 120

Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases attack power by 1110 in Cat, Bear, Dire Bear, and Moonkin forms only.

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This item can be purchased in Shattrath City (3) and Isle of Quel'Danas (2).

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