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Comment by 3465

Drops from Bear Avatar in Zul'Aman - looks like bear heads on your shoulders.

Comment by overneathe

@ illwill: I'm guessing you're forgetting every feral piece in the game?

Comment by 103757

Nice stats. These shoulders need to look bigger. >_<

Comment by 107493

Looks like nice Survival Hunter gear. Since T4 Shoulders are worthless to the SV spec.

Comment by 103724

Well i think that their the coolest hunter shoulders in the game, and if your cool it doesnt matter the stats :D.

Comment by Marouka

These are probably one of the only mail downgrades for warrior raid dps. This beats wearing leather!

Comment by 118377

Responding to the comment made by Xtremekiller: You obviously have never played an enhancement shaman before. Anyone that thinks yellow dmg is capped by talents only, you are sadly mistaken. I have over 220 hit rating currently and still get dodged, parried and miss with Stormstrike and Windfury.

Comment by 91592

Regardless, the yellow damage is hit-capped and thus only improving your White damage.

The EP for these shoulders is still great, as they are usually an upgrade. But don't confuse Hit capping with the affect of Expertise

Comment by Loudnoxious

You will always be dodged and parried with +hit, the only way to get around that is to get expertise, but with 5% hit you should never get misses against lvl 70 mobs with yellow attacks but when fighting raid bosses its quite a bit higher

Against level 73 mobs (raid bosses), you need 9% to hit cap on specials. If you're enhance/resto and aren't terrible you should be hit capped on WF and SS through talents alone.

WIth 220 hit rating, there's no way you should be missing even if you're terrible and pick up neither of the +hit talents. Clearly the OP is mistaken about missing.

However the person I quoted is correct about dodges (you should never be parried in a raid or 5 man...if you're attacking from the front you're doing something wrong), the only way to mitigate that is via expertise (which is the best point-for-point melee dps stat in the game right now).

Comment by 109478

Bears on shoulders.

This level of awesomeness cannot be reproduced.

Comment by pericles

Sorry if you have 220 hit rating then it is clearly you who "never played an enhancement shaman before" or at least not properly. Standard raiding spec Enh shammy is dual wield with 2 slow weapons both with WF and with 6% hit from dual wield specialisation and 3% hit from Nature's guidance you have 9% chance to hit from talents alone.

Now 9% from talents means you CANNOT miss with your YELLOW attacks against a lvl 73 mob (ie: standard Raid Boss). Your 220 hit rating does not help your yellow attacks in this setup. For your white attacks ie: standard melee damage you have a 28% miss chance with 9% hit talents this is reduced to 19% chance to miss. With a 220 hit rating you take this down to 5.05% miss chance on white attacks, which is good but you must have sacrificed huge amounts of AP & crit% to get this much hit. Simple calcs show that around the 110-120 hit rating is fine for a Enh Shammy and really hit is NOT the stat to be chasing, its a nice bonus if you get it on gear but don't sacrifice Str, AP, Agi, Crit for Hit.

For full details of the calculations see http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t13297-enhance_shaman_collected_works_theorycraft_vol_i/

Comment by 67931

just looking for an opinion, i currently use the s2 hunter shoulders for pve/pvp, would these be better for at least pve?

Comment by Phelia

These are better than the T5 for hunters, especially if you don't have Careful Aim and isn't counting the setbonus.

Comment by kauski

alot better than t5 hunter shoulders, except no intellicent wich means if u got mana problems get t5 shoulders instead of these, but with assasin's alchemist's stone u shouldnt have any mana problems

Comment by Dimish

Ugly as hell

Comment by AstrayQQ

Could anyone tell me how good these are compared to the warrior T4 shoulders Warbringer Shoulderplates?

Comment by Thottbot

If I get these I think I may have to go back and level my bear :D.

"Hey man, nice shoulders."

"Yeah, I'll have a helm to match as soon as this guy gets a little bigger :)."

Comment by Thottbot

My lv 70 hunt Got the Shoulders T,T damn Bear wont jump! i WANT JUMPING BEAR!

Comment by Thottbot

Im thinkin These Pauldrons + Amani warbear= kool bear

Comment by Thottbot

Just got these for my shammy and they are sweet! Hit rating is nice, throw in some crit gems and gtg!

Comment by Thottbot

I got them 2 nights ago, nice upgrade from the kara shoulders. Put 8stre, 4stre/4crit in it since I think extra stam is nice. However I think they are pretty ugly...but stats before looks ofc :)

Comment by Thottbot

Overkill,lol!

"Yah,ill have a hat as soon as my guy gets a lil bigger :D"

Genius.

Comment by Thottbot

am i the only one that thinks the ZA item skins are !@#$%IN!
I totaly love the way that this and the rest of items look. Especialy the hunter helmet resembles the head of the alien :).It is however difficult to find gear that matches ZA skins and often ppl say its ugly cuz it doesent match the rest of their gear. And good to say that bliz need to be more creative and create unique skins at least for purples.

Comment by Thottbot

Does anyone have an opinion if these are better or worse than the Beastmaw Pauldrons?

Comment by Thottbot

The Hunter dilemna is just whether to use these raiding or the T4 shoulders. The difference is about 4 more DPS rsnged for Hunter wearing these. What you lose is about 400 mana, and 5MPS, but you gain AP.

I will probably use these raiding for shorter fights and the T4s for longer fights.

Comment by Thottbot

Ok, through all these posts, no one has offered any insight into why these are better or worse than anything. Just because you think they look $%^&*IN! doesnt mean a damn thing. Lets look at the stats, instead of going off about irrelevant b.s.

Demon Stalker Shoulderguards
Binds when picked up
Shoulder Mail
634 Armor
+23 Stamina
+23 Intellect
Red Socket
Yellow Socket
Socket Bonus: +3 Intellect
Durability 85 / 85
Classes: Hunter
Requires Level 70
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 19 (0.9%).
Equip: Increases attack power by 44.
Equip: Restores 5 mana per 5 sec.

Pauldrons of Primal Fury
Binds when picked up
Shoulder Mail
675 Armor
+28 Agility
+30 Stamina
Yellow Socket
Red Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Stamina
Durability 85 / 85
Requires Level 70
Equip: Improves hit rating by 20 (1.3%).
Equip: Increases attack power by 58.

These are BETTER than T5 shoulders. they have more hit, more ap than T5. and for the *!@#$% who said he wasnt sure whether or not they were better than T4, youre a fool.

They have 42 more ap, and 3 less crit (assuming you put 2x +16 ap gems in it) than T4.

They are better than T4, T5, and beastmaw. do the math,and instead of talking about how cool they look, determine what has more ap and hit. you can make up the 3 crit you lose elsewhere.
these are one of the top 5 shoulders in game for hunters.

Comment by Thottbot

I got these today and as i holy paladin . . erhm yeah well i mainly rolled on them because we had no hunter or shaman in the group and second of all no one else wanted em. Another reason that i wanted them is for the looks and possibly go retri in kara sometime just for fun and the best reason i got them is to piss of my brother who is an ench shamy and is currently stuck with the merci shoulders so i guess this will make my weekend :)

Comment by Thottbot

While these are good for Hunters and way better than T4, I prefer the Mantle of the Tireless Tracker for a Hunter. They have intellect instead of stamina and a ton of crit. Having said that, if you're a Hunter and wearing T4 or below, by all means grab these if you can. The best Hunter T4 pieces are the legs,chest, and helm. The other 2 pieces are kind of weak.

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Pauldrons of Primal Fury

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Item Level 128
Binds when picked up

Shoulder	Mail

675 Armor
+28 Agility
+30 Stamina

Yellow Socket
Red Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Stamina

Durability 85 / 85

Requires Level 70
Equip: Improves hit rating by 20.
Equip: Increases attack power by 58.

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